From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755560AbcDDQ4o (ORCPT ); Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:56:44 -0400 Received: from mail-pf0-f170.google.com ([209.85.192.170]:35249 "EHLO mail-pf0-f170.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753589AbcDDQ4m (ORCPT ); Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:56:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [bisect] Merge tag 'mmc-v4.6' of git://git.linaro.org/people/ulf.hansson/mmc (was [GIT PULL] MMC for v.4.6) To: Ulf Hansson References: <57008645.4070808@hurleysoftware.com> Cc: Linus Torvalds , linux-mmc , Adrian Hunter , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Jaehoon Chung From: Peter Hurley Message-ID: <57029CC7.6080503@hurleysoftware.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:56:39 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 04/04/2016 04:29 AM, Ulf Hansson wrote: > On 3 April 2016 at 13:54, Linus Torvalds wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Peter Hurley wrote: >>> >>> Note how mmc1 => mmcblk0 and mmc0 => mmcblk1. >>> >>> This produces a failure to boot as the wrong partition is mounted as >>> root (/dev/mmcblk0p2 is now on the wrong mmc). >> >> It *looks* very much like somebody is doing asynchronous probing of >> the bus, meaning that the devices get probed in random order. > > Correct. > >> >> And that "random order" is admittedly probably usually fairly static >> on any particular hardware platform, but then something happens to >> change timing, and... >> >> This is why you should never probe the actual *bus* asynchronously, >> just do the end-point setup async. For example, you'd enumerate ports >> (and assign devices to the ports) synchronously, but then after device >> assignment the actual device probing can be async. > > So to do this, we need to tie the mmc/sd/sdio controller to a > dedicated mmcblk id. > > There have been some ideas to fix this by using "aliases" in a DT > based configuration. > >> >>> The bisect tried all the mmc tree patches which were all good. >>> I double-checked by cloning the mmc tree and building both mmc-v4.6 >>> and v4.5-rc6, and both tested good. >>> >>> I interpret that to mean some change in mmc + some new behavior elsewhere >>> for v4.6 is causing this. Any ideas? >> >> Hmm. If it really is just timing, it could have been around forever, >> and just hidden by the fact that normally mmc0 gets probed before >> mmc1, but then some other probing thing slowed down or the exact >> details of the async workqueue scheduling changed, and now mmc1 just >> *happens* to get probed first.. >> >> The thing that changed scheduling order could easily have come from >> some non-mmc change. >> >> NOTE! I have nothing to back this up except that (a) we've had >> problems like this before and (b) it does look from your dmesg that >> mmcX is simply probed in the "wrong" order. I didn't look at exactly >> what mmc does or who does the probing. >> >> Maybe Ulf can explain what it is that is _supposed_ to keep the mmc >> probe order stable. Ulf? >> >> Linus > > The commit that's likely to cause the regression is: > 520bd7a8b415 ("mmc: core: Optimize boot time by detecting cards > simultaneously"). > > This commit further enables asynchronous detection of (e)MMC/SD/SDIO > cards, by converting from an *ordered* work-queue to a *non-ordered* > work-queue for card detection. > > Although, one should know that there have *never* been any guarantees > to get a fixed mmcblk id for a card. I expect that's what has been > assumed here. Tell me about it. I'm in the middle of reverting non-blocking read() behavior since 3.12 because _one_ userspace app relies on *blocking* non-blocking read() behavior that existed before 3.12. > Let me elaborate a bit on the card detection procedure. When the mmc > controller has been successfully probed, its driver schedules a work > to start enumeration of cards. Only cards that gets detected > successfully becomes registered and those gets an mmcblk id assigned > to it. The picked id, is the first available starting from zero. Now, > as cards can be removable and because drivers for mmc controllers may > sometimes returns -EPROBE_DEFER (for whatever reason), there's never > been support for fixed mmcblk ids. > > To deal with this, one should use the so called UUID/PARTUUID. Is > there any reasons to why that can't be done in this case? Well, I can. But I'm not volunteering to update the other 250,000+ bootloader scripts that do "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" Regards, Peter Hurley