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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	Hillf Danton <hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0.14] oom detection rework v6
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 10:12:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5729AEFB.9060101@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160504054502.GA10899@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE>

On 05/04/2016 07:45 AM, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> I still don't agree with some part of this patchset that deal with
> !costly order. As you know, there was two regression reports from Hugh
> and Aaron and you fixed them by ensuring to trigger compaction. I
> think that these show the problem of this patchset. Previous kernel
> doesn't need to ensure to trigger compaction and just works fine in
> any case.

IIRC previous kernel somehow subtly never OOM'd for !costly orders. So 
anything that introduces the possibility of OOM may look like regression 
for some corner case workloads. But I don't think that it's OK to not 
OOM for e.g. kernel stack allocations?

> Your series make compaction necessary for all. OOM handling
> is essential part in MM but compaction isn't. OOM handling should not
> depend on compaction. I tested my own benchmark without
> CONFIG_COMPACTION and found that premature OOM happens.
>
> I hope that you try to test something without CONFIG_COMPACTION.

Hmm a valid point, !CONFIG_COMPACTION should be considered. But reclaim 
cannot guarantee forming an order>0 page. But neither does OOM. So would 
you suggest we keep reclaiming without OOM as before, to prevent these 
regressions? Or where to draw the line here?

> Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-04  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-20 19:47 [PATCH 0.14] oom detection rework v6 Michal Hocko
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 01/14] vmscan: consider classzone_idx in compaction_ready Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  3:32   ` Hillf Danton
2016-05-04 13:56   ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 02/14] mm, compaction: change COMPACT_ constants into enum Michal Hocko
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 03/14] mm, compaction: cover all compaction mode in compact_zone Michal Hocko
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 04/14] mm, compaction: distinguish COMPACT_DEFERRED from COMPACT_SKIPPED Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  7:08   ` Hillf Danton
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 05/14] mm, compaction: distinguish between full and partial COMPACT_COMPLETE Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  6:39   ` Hillf Danton
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 06/14] mm, compaction: Update compaction_result ordering Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  6:45   ` Hillf Danton
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 07/14] mm, compaction: Simplify __alloc_pages_direct_compact feedback interface Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  6:50   ` Hillf Danton
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 08/14] mm, compaction: Abstract compaction feedback to helpers Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  6:57   ` Hillf Danton
2016-04-28  8:47   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 09/14] mm: use compaction feedback for thp backoff conditions Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  7:05   ` Hillf Danton
2016-04-28  8:53   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-04-28 12:35     ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-29  9:16       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-04-29  9:28         ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 10/14] mm, oom: rework oom detection Michal Hocko
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 11/14] mm: throttle on IO only when there are too many dirty and writeback pages Michal Hocko
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 12/14] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  8:03   ` Hillf Danton
2016-05-04  6:01   ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-04  6:31     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-04  8:56       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04 14:57         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-04 18:19           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04  8:53     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04 14:39       ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-04 18:20         ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 13/14] mm: consider compaction feedback also for costly allocation Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  8:13   ` Hillf Danton
2016-04-20 19:47 ` [PATCH 14/14] mm, oom, compaction: prevent from should_compact_retry looping for ever for costly orders Michal Hocko
2016-04-21  8:24   ` Hillf Danton
2016-04-28  8:59   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-04-28 12:39     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04  6:27   ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-04  9:04     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04 15:14       ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-04 19:22         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04  5:45 ` [PATCH 0.14] oom detection rework v6 Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-04  8:12   ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2016-05-04  8:32     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-04  8:50     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04  8:47   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04 14:32     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-04 18:16       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-10  6:41         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-10  7:09           ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-10  8:00             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-10  9:44               ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-10  9:43           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-12  2:23             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-12  5:19               ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-12 10:59               ` Michal Hocko

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