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From: James Clark <james.clark@arm.com>
To: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>,
	Jing Zhang <renyu.zj@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Kilroy <andrew.kilroy@arm.com>,
	Shuai Xue <xueshuai@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Zhuo Song <zhuo.song@linux.alibaba.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Mike Leach <mike.leach@linaro.org>,
	Leo Yan <leo.yan@linaro.org>, Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>
Subject: Re: [External] : [RFC PATCH v2 1/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add topdown L1 metrics for neoverse-n2
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 14:00:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57315669-e6e7-08b8-a252-bc35d4fecc01@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75c4f0e6-3f28-a748-e891-7be6016ca28e@oracle.com>



On 21/11/2022 17:55, John Garry wrote:
> On 21/11/2022 15:17, Jing Zhang wrote:
>> I'm sorry that I misunderstood the purpose of putting metric as
>> arch_std_event at first,
>> and now it works after the modification over your suggestion.
>>
>> But there are also a few questions:
>>
>> 1. The value of the slot in the topdownL1 is various in different
>> architectures, for example,
>> the slot is 5 on neoverse-n2. If I put topdownL1 metric as
>> arch_std_event, then I need to
>> specify the slot to 5 in n2. I can specify slot values in metric like
>> below, but is there any
>> other concise way to do this?
>>
>> diff --git
>> a/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json
>> b/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json
>> index 8ff1dfe..b473baf 100644
>> --- a/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json
>> +++ b/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json
>> @@ -1,4 +1,23 @@
>> [
>> +       {
>> +               "MetricExpr": "5",
>> +               "PublicDescription": "A pipeline slot represents the
>> hardware resources needed to process one uOp",
>> +               "BriefDescription": "A pipeline slot represents the
>> hardware resources needed to process one uOp",
>> +               "MetricName": "slot"
> 
> Ehhh....I'm not sure if that is a good idea. Ian or anyone else have an
> opinion on this? It is possible to reuse metrics, so it should work, but...
> 
> One problem is that "slot" would show up as a metric, which you would
> not want.
> 
> Alternatively I was going to suggest that you can overwrite specific std
> arch event attributes. So for example of frontend_bound, you could have:

I would agree with not having this and just hard coding the 5 wherever
it's needed. Once we have a few different sets of metrics in place maybe
we can start to look at deduplication, but for now I don't see the value.

> 
> + b/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/arm64/arm/neoverse-n2/metrics.json
> @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@
> [
>     {
>     "ArchStdEvent": "FRONTEND_BOUND",
>         "MetricExpr": "(stall_slot_frontend - cpu_cycles) / (5 *
> cpu_cycles)",
>     },
> 
>> +       }
>> +       {
>> +               "ArchStdEvent": "FRONTEND_BOUND"
>> +       },
>> +       {
>> +               "ArchStdEvent": "BACKEND_BOUND"
>> +       },
>> +       {
>> +               "ArchStdEvent": "WASTED"
>> +       },
>> +       {
>> +               "ArchStdEvent": "RETIRING"
>> +       },
>>
>>
>> 2. Should I add the topdownL1 metric to
>> tools/perf/pmu-event/recommended.json,
>> or create a new json file to place the general metric?
> 
> It would not belong in recommended.json as that is specifically for
> arch-recommended events. It would really just depend on where the value
> comes from, i.e. arm arm or sbsa.
> 

For what we're going to publish shortly we'll be generating a
metrics.json file for each CPU. It will be autogenerated so I don't
think duplication will be an issue and I'm expecting that there will be
differences in the topdown metrics between CPUs anyway. So I would also
vote to not put it in recommended.json

>>
>> Looking forward to your reply.
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-22 14:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-31 11:11 [PATCH RFC 0/6] Add metrics for neoverse-n2 Jing Zhang
2022-10-31 11:11 ` [PATCH RFC 1/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add topdown L1 " Jing Zhang
2022-10-31 11:11 ` [PATCH RFC 2/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add TLB " Jing Zhang
2022-10-31 11:11 ` [PATCH RFC 3/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add cache " Jing Zhang
2022-10-31 11:11 ` [PATCH RFC 4/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add branch " Jing Zhang
2022-10-31 11:11 ` [PATCH RFC 5/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add PE utilization " Jing Zhang
2022-10-31 11:11 ` [PATCH RFC 6/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add instruction mix " Jing Zhang
2022-11-14  7:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] Add " Jing Zhang
2022-11-24 17:14   ` [PATCH v3 " Jing Zhang
2022-11-24 17:14   ` [PATCH v3 1/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add topdown L1 " Jing Zhang
2022-11-24 17:14   ` [PATCH v3 2/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add TLB " Jing Zhang
2022-11-24 17:14   ` [PATCH v3 3/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add cache " Jing Zhang
2022-11-24 17:14   ` [PATCH v3 4/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add branch " Jing Zhang
2022-11-24 17:14   ` [PATCH v3 5/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add PE utilization " Jing Zhang
2022-11-30 18:58     ` Ian Rogers
2022-12-01 11:08       ` Jing Zhang
2022-12-02 20:05         ` Ian Rogers
2022-12-04  7:10           ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-24 17:14   ` [PATCH v3 6/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add instruction mix " Jing Zhang
2022-11-14  7:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add topdown L1 " Jing Zhang
2022-11-14 12:59   ` [External] : " John Garry
2022-11-15  8:43     ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-15 11:19       ` John Garry
2022-11-21  9:53         ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-21 10:22           ` John Garry
2022-11-21 15:17             ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-21 17:55               ` John Garry
2022-11-22  9:24                 ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-22 14:00                 ` James Clark [this message]
2022-11-22 15:41                   ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-23 14:26                     ` James Clark
2022-11-24 16:32                       ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-24 16:51                         ` James Clark
2022-11-14  7:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add TLB " Jing Zhang
2022-11-14  7:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add cache " Jing Zhang
2022-11-14  8:35   ` Xing Zhengjun
2022-11-15  6:28     ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-14  7:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add branch " Jing Zhang
2022-11-14  7:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add PE utilization " Jing Zhang
2022-11-14  7:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/6] perf vendor events arm64: Add instruction mix " Jing Zhang
2022-11-16 11:19 ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] Add " James Clark
2022-11-16 15:26   ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-21 11:51     ` James Clark
2022-11-22  7:11       ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-22 11:53         ` James Clark
2022-11-19  3:30   ` Jing Zhang
     [not found]     ` <CAP-5=fW+Z_Tc3BfK1bRKUeKWfxtPfoZXL9D2BhcU1SzNOruSsg@mail.gmail.com>
2022-11-20  3:49       ` Jing Zhang
2022-11-21 11:55       ` James Clark

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