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From: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	David Drysdale <drysdale@google.com>,
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	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 06/10] landlock: Add LSM hooks
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 22:27:50 +0200
Message-ID: <57C5EC46.3050804@digikod.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUK1umtXMEXXKzMAccNQCVTPA8_XNDf01B5=gAZuJwvsQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On 30/08/2016 22:18, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 30/08/2016 20:56, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>> On Aug 25, 2016 12:34 PM, "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Add LSM hooks which can be used by userland through Landlock (eBPF)
>>>> programs. This programs are limited to a whitelist of functions (cf.
>>>> next commit). The eBPF program context is depicted by the struct
>>>> landlock_data (cf. include/uapi/linux/bpf.h):
>>>> * hook: LSM hook ID (useful when using the same program for multiple LSM
>>>>   hooks);
>>>> * cookie: the 16-bit value from the seccomp filter that triggered this
>>>>   Landlock program;
>>>> * args[6]: array of LSM hook arguments.
>>>>
>>>> The LSM hook arguments can contain raw values as integers or
>>>> (unleakable) pointers. The only way to use the pointers are to pass them
>>>> to an eBPF function according to their types (e.g. the
>>>> bpf_landlock_cmp_fs_beneath_with_struct_file function can use a struct
>>>> file pointer).
>>>>
>>>> For now, there is three hooks for file system access control:
>>>> * file_open;
>>>> * file_permission;
>>>> * mmap_file.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What's the purpose of exposing struct cred * to userspace?  It's
>>> primarily just an optimization to save a bit of RAM, and it's a
>>> dubious optimization at that.  What are you using it for?  Would it
>>> make more sense to use struct task_struct * or struct pid * instead?
>>>
>>> Also, exposing struct cred * has a really weird side-effect: it allows
>>> (maybe even encourages) checking for pointer equality between two
>>> struct cred * objects.  Doing so will have erratic results.
>>>
>>
>> The pointers exposed in the ePBF context are not directly readable by an
>> unprivileged eBPF program thanks to the strong typing of the Landlock
>> context and the static eBPF verification. There is no way to leak a
>> kernel pointer to userspace from an unprivileged eBPF program: pointer
>> arithmetic and comparison are prohibited. Pointers can only be pass as
>> argument to dedicated eBPF functions.
> 
> I'm not talking about leaking the value -- I'm talking about leaking
> the predicate (a == b) for two struct cred pointers.  That predicate
> shouldn't be available because it has very odd effects.

I'm pretty sure this case is covered with the impossibility of doing
pointers comparison.

> 
>>
>> For now, struct cred * is simply not used by any eBPF function and then
>> not usable at all. It only exist here because I map the LSM hook
>> arguments in a generic/automatic way to the eBPF context.
> 
> Maybe remove it from this patch set then?

Well, this is done with the LANDLOCK_HOOK* macros but I will remove it.


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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-25 10:32 [RFC v2 00/10] Landlock LSM: Unprivileged sandboxing Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 01/10] landlock: Add Kconfig Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 02/10] bpf: Move u64_to_ptr() to BPF headers and inline it Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 03/10] bpf,landlock: Add a new arraymap type to deal with (Landlock) handles Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 04/10] seccomp: Split put_seccomp_filter() with put_seccomp() Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 05/10] seccomp: Handle Landlock Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 06/10] landlock: Add LSM hooks Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-30 18:56   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-30 20:10     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-30 20:18       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-30 20:27         ` Mickaël Salaün [this message]
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 07/10] landlock: Add errno check Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 11:13   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 08/10] landlock: Handle file system comparisons Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 11:12   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-25 14:10     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-26 14:57       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-27 13:45         ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 09/10] landlock: Handle cgroups Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 11:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-25 14:44     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-26 12:55       ` Tejun Heo
2016-08-26 14:20       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-26 15:50         ` Tejun Heo
2016-08-26  2:14   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-26 15:10     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-26 23:05       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-27  7:30         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-27 18:11           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-28  8:14             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-27 14:06         ` [RFC v2 09/10] landlock: Handle cgroups (performance) Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-27 18:06           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-27 19:35             ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-27 20:43               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-27 21:14                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-28  8:13                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-28  9:42                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-30 18:55                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-30 20:20                         ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-30 20:23                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-30 20:33                             ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-30 20:55                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-30 21:45                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-31  1:36                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-31  3:29                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-27 14:19         ` [RFC v2 09/10] landlock: Handle cgroups (netfilter match) Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-27 18:32           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-27 14:34         ` [RFC v2 09/10] landlock: Handle cgroups (program types) Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-27 18:19           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-27 19:55             ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-27 20:56               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-08-27 21:18                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 10:32 ` [RFC v2 10/10] samples/landlock: Add sandbox example Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-25 11:05 ` [RFC v2 00/10] Landlock LSM: Unprivileged sandboxing Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-25 13:57   ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-27  7:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-27 15:10   ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-27 15:21     ` [RFC v2 00/10] Landlock LSM: Unprivileged sandboxing (cgroup delegation) Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-30 16:06 ` [RFC v2 00/10] Landlock LSM: Unprivileged sandboxing Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-30 19:51   ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-08-30 19:55     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-15  9:19 ` Pavel Machek
2016-09-20 17:08   ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-24  7:45     ` Pavel Machek
2016-10-03 22:56     ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 20:30       ` Mickaël Salaün

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