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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: ebiederm@xmission.com, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, greg@kroah.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] kexec: A new system call to allow in kernel loading
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:28:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5cb078ff-e0d3-478b-ba1c-c16d71c32e02@email.android.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8761rl73s7.fsf@xmission.com>

What do you need from ELF?

ebiederm@xmission.com wrote:
>Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> Current proposed secureboot implementation disables kexec/kdump
>because
>> it can allow unsigned kernel to run on a secureboot platform. Intial
>> idea was to sign /sbin/kexec binary and let that binary do the kernel
>> signature verification. I had posted RFC patches for this apparoach
>> here.
>>
>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/10/560
>>
>> Later we had discussion at Plumbers and most of the people thought
>> that signing and trusting /sbin/kexec is becoming complex. So a 
>> better idea might be let kernel do the signature verification of
>> new kernel being loaded. This calls for implementing a new system
>call
>> and moving lot of user space code in kernel.
>>
>> kexec_load() system call allows loading a kexec/kdump kernel and jump
>> to that kernel at right time. Though a lot of processing is done in
>> user space which prepares a list of segments/buffers to be loaded and
>> kexec_load() works on that list of segments. It does not know what's
>> contained in those segments.
>>
>> Now a new system call kexec_file_load() is implemented which takes
>> kernel fd and initrd fd as parameters. Now kernel should be able
>> to verify signature of newly loaded kernel. 
>>
>> This is an early RFC patchset. I have not done signature handling
>> part yet. This is more of a minimal patch to show how new system
>> call and functionality will look like. Right now it can only handle
>> bzImage with 64bit entry point on x86_64. No EFI, no x86_32  or any
>> other architecture. Rest of the things can be added slowly as need
>> arises. In first iteration, I have tried to address most common use
>case
>> for us.
>>
>> Any feedback is welcome.
>
>Before you are done we need an ELF loader.  bzImage really is very
>uninteresting.  To the point I am not at all convinced that an in
>kernel
>loader should support it.
>
>There is also a huge missing piece of this in that your purgatory is
>not
>checking a hash of the loaded image before jumping too it.  Without
>that
>this is a huge regression at least for the kexec on panic case.  We
>absolutely need to check that the kernel sitting around in memory has
>not been corrupted before we let it run very far.
>
>Eric

-- 
Sent from my mobile phone.  Please pardon brevity and lack of formatting.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-22  1:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-20 17:50 [PATCH 0/6] kexec: A new system call to allow in kernel loading Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 1/6] kexec: Export vmcoreinfo note size properly Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 18:59   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:08     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 2/6] kexec: Move segment verification code in a separate function Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 3/6] resource: Provide new functions to walk through resources Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 4/6] kexec: A new system call, kexec_file_load, for in kernel kexec Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:03   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:06     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:13       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:19         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:24           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 18:57           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-23  3:39             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-25 16:39               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-26 12:23                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-26 14:27                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-19 12:54                     ` Torsten Duwe
2013-12-20 14:19                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-20 23:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-20 23:20                           ` Kees Cook
2013-12-21 11:38                             ` Torsten Duwe
2014-01-02 20:39                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-01-02 20:56                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-06 21:33                                 ` Josh Boyer
2014-01-07  4:22                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 23:20                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21  1:32                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-21  3:32                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21 12:15                                 ` Torsten Duwe
2013-11-21 19:16     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  1:03     ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22  2:13       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 20:42   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-01-17 19:17     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-29  3:10   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:27     ` WANG Chao
2013-12-02 15:44     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:35       ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:19         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:56   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04  8:19     ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:32     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 5/6] kexec-bzImage: Support for loading bzImage using 64bit entry Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:07   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:21     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 15:24       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-28 11:35   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:36     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 6/6] kexec: Support for Kexec on panic using new system call Vivek Goyal
2013-11-28 11:28   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:30     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:51       ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:20         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:41   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:19     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 18:58 ` [PATCH 0/6] kexec: A new system call to allow in kernel loading Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:07   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:46     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-21 19:14   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 23:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-22  1:28   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-11-22  2:35     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  2:40       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22  1:55   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  9:09     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22 13:30       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 13:46         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:50           ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 15:33             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 17:45               ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22 13:43       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 15:25         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22 15:33           ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 15:57             ` Eric Paris
2013-11-22 16:04               ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 16:08                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-22 14:19       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 19:48         ` Greg KH
2013-11-23  3:23         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-04 19:34           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-05  4:10             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-25 10:04       ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-25 15:36         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-25 16:15           ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-22  0:55 ` HATAYAMA Daisuke
2013-11-22  2:03   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-03 13:23 ` Baoquan He

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