From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AF5C43143 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 06:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF1520878 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 06:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=firemail.cc header.i=@firemail.cc header.b="Yv3eDiAQ" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 5DF1520878 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=firemail.cc Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726875AbeJBMzx (ORCPT ); Tue, 2 Oct 2018 08:55:53 -0400 Received: from cock.li ([185.100.85.212]:53518 "EHLO cock.li" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726349AbeJBMzx (ORCPT ); Tue, 2 Oct 2018 08:55:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=firemail.cc; s=mail; t=1538460858; bh=+TQqQf8pKWz3jS0Af2zsP2n38tL72aYLikLhdHQsGzM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=Yv3eDiAQqiCIerR5u1LT2RyxCc4LSaxx0BHzWkOp0HBTsWPKCZ7vnNZ75gYUL8KUH flKBEitzu0OtOYxO+BzAzlmMwIWiIv9lVrcZnqFKL4haTkAdhb+Kn48bzBiiNZOg1F zy2Juvdxadqjw2GuE1f9DjkuMdBAljjUKQgh31j+3qItMJxhZQVoifmnWAWcNQTiaF Am7ClOIhZkY4nIHscdZKjhNV8HJvYeN7ufAQGAHquNJ1c8K3too04iN0oad6nGaBIe ldZHB3wHhosh0fn1jCEaHIGsi4PCYPVFfKLtdINPXVX9jEL02+grAlXloeAZj48gQJ 8Iztn6+GEfiCg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 06:14:18 +0000 From: clarityabovecompulsion@firemail.cc To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: On default rules, and license given. Message-ID: <62cb727b231c4c9f257ed1656476d7d3@firemail.cc> X-Sender: clarityabovecompulsion@firemail.cc User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > by jd ( 1658 ) <`imipak' `at' `yahoo.com'> on Saturday September 29, > 2018 @02:38PM (#57395698) Homepage Journal > The author has no right granted by the GPL to revoke the freedoms of > others. Indeed, the GPL is explicit. Nobody, not even the author, can > remove the freedom of another. You're completely wrong. The rule is not "If the GPL doesn't grant the copyright holder this, he may not do it". The rule is "The licensee only has the privileges bestowed upon him that the owner of the property has granted" Do you understand that? No. Thought not. Version 2 of the GPL bares no "irrevocability by grantor" clause, specifies no duration, and the "You" it speaks of (cited by the SFConservancy.org) is explicitly declared to be the licensee in section 0 (not the copyright holder, as the SFConservancy tries to argue). Here's some lay-mans reading for you: Licenses and revocability, in a paragraph or less. As has been stated in easily accessible terms elsewhere: "Most courts hold that simple, non-exclusive licenses with unspecified durations that are silent on revocability are revocable at will. This means that the licensor may terminate the license at any time, with or without cause." + Version 2 of the GPL specifies no duration, nor does it declare that it is non-revocable by the grantor. (Also note: A perpetual license may violate the rule against perpetuities in various jurisdictions where it is applied not only to real property but additionally to personal property (and the like), which is why the GPL-3's term of duration is set as the duration of copyright on the program (and not "forever")) +[https://www.sidley.com/en/insights/newsupdates/2013/02/the-terms-revocable-and-irrevocable-in-license-agreements-tips-and-pitfalls]