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From: "Paul Menage" <menage@google.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	"Srivatsa Vaddagiri" <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	sam@vilain.net, akpm@linux-foundation.org, pj@sgi.com, dev@sw.ru,
	xemul@sw.ru, containers@lists.osdl.org, winget@google.com,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] resource control file system - aka containers on top of nsproxy!
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:18:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6599ad830703071518y715ecdb2y33752a6e25b5ecdb@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1odn4bs6n.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

On 3/7/07, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
> > Effectively, container_group is to container as nsproxy is to namespace.
>
> The statement above nicely summarizes the confusion in terminology.
>
> In the namespace world when we say container we mean roughly at the level
> of nsproxy and container_group.

So you're saying that a task can only be in a single system-wide container.

My patch provides multiple potentially-independent ways of dividing up
the tasks on the system - if the "container" is the set of all
divisions that the process is in, what's an appropriate term for the
sub-units?

>
> You are calling something that is on par with a namespace a container.

Yes.

> Which
> seriously muddies the waters.  About as much as calling as referring to your
> shoe as your whole outfit.
> Without fixing the terminology it is going to be very hard to
> successfully communicate.

That assumes the viewpoint that your terminology is "correct" and
other people's needs "fixing". :-)

But as I've said I'm not particularly wedded to the term "container"
if that really turned out to be what's blocking acceptance from people
like Andrew or Linus. Do you have a suggestion for a better name? To
me, "process container" seems like the ideal name, since it's an
abstraction that "contains" processes and associates them with some
(subsystem-provided) state.

Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-07 23:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-01 13:35 [PATCH 0/2] resource control file system - aka containers on top of nsproxy! Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-01 13:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] rcfs core patch Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-01 16:31   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-01 16:46     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-02  5:06   ` [ckrm-tech] " Balbir Singh
2007-03-03  9:38     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-08  3:12   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  9:10     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-09  0:38       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  9:07         ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-09 13:29           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 17:57         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-10  1:19           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11 16:36             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-12 23:16               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-08 10:13     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09  0:48       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  2:35         ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09  9:23         ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-09  9:38           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09 13:21           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11 17:09             ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-12 23:00               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  8:28                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-13 13:55                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13 14:11                     ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-13 15:52                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 18:14         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 19:25           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-10  1:00             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-10  1:31               ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-10  0:56           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 16:16       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-01 13:50 ` [PATCH 2/2] cpu_accounting controller Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-01 19:39 ` [PATCH 0/2] resource control file system - aka containers on top of nsproxy! Paul Jackson
2007-03-02 15:45   ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-02 16:52     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:25       ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-03 17:45     ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-03 21:22       ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-05 17:47         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-03  9:36   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-03 10:21     ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-05 17:02       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-03 17:32     ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-05 17:34       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-05 18:39         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-06 10:39           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-06 13:28             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-06 16:21               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07  2:32 ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 17:30   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 17:29     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 17:52       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 17:32     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 17:43     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-07 17:46       ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 23:16         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 11:39           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 18:00       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 20:58         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-07 21:20           ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 21:59             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-07 22:13               ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-07 23:13                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-12 14:11               ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 22:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-07 23:18               ` Paul Menage [this message]
2007-03-08  0:35                 ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  0:42                   ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  0:53                     ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  0:58                       ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2007-03-08  1:32                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  1:35                           ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  2:25                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-09  0:56                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  0:53                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 18:19                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 19:36                               ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09 21:52                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 22:06                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-12 14:01                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 15:15                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 20:26                                     ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09  4:30                           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-08  2:47                         ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  2:57                           ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  3:32                             ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  6:10                               ` Matt Helsley
2007-03-08  6:44                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-09  1:06                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-10  9:06                                     ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-11 21:15                                       ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-12  9:35                                         ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-12 10:00                                         ` Paul Menage
2007-03-12 23:21                                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  2:25                                             ` Paul Menage
2007-03-13 15:57                                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  4:37                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-08  6:32                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  9:10                               ` Paul Menage
2007-03-09 16:50                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-22 14:08                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-22 14:39                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-22 14:56                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09  4:27                       ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-10  8:52                         ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-10  9:11                           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09 16:34             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 16:41               ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 22:09               ` Paul Menage
2007-03-10  2:02                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-10  3:19                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 15:07                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 15:56                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-12 16:20                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 17:25                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-12 21:15                       ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-12 23:31                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  2:22                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-08  0:50     ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08 11:30       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09  1:16         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 18:41           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-10  2:03             ` Herbert Poetzl

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