linux-kernel.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 5/9] x86/ioport: Reduce ioperm impact for sane usage further
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 17:12:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6cac6943-2f6c-d48a-658e-08b3bf87921a@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjocTzo+8OMwyKPX0MCVV=N4wtU8ifwSZ_qJJnDBgKJ8Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 2019-11-07 13:44, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 1:00 PM Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There wouldn't have to be a flush on every task switch.
> 
> No. But we'd have to flush on any switch that currently does that memcpy.
> 
> And my point is that a tlb flush (even the single-page case) is likely
> more expensive than the memcpy.
> 
>> Going a step further, we could track which task is mapped to the
>> current cpu like proposed above, and only flush when a different task
>> needs the IO bitmap, or when the bitmap is being freed on task exit.
> 
> Well, that's exactly my "track the last task" optimization for copying
> the thing.
> 
> IOW, it's the same optimization as avoiding the memcpy.
> 
> Which I think is likely very effective, but also makes it fairly
> pointless to then try to be clever..
> 
> So the basic issue remains that playing VM games has almost
> universally been slower and more complex than simply not playing VM
> games. TLB flushes - even invlpg - tends to be pretty slow.
> 
> Of course, we probably end up invalidating the TLB's anyway, so maybe
> in this case we don't care. The ioperm bitmap is _technically_
> per-thread, though, so it should be flushed even if the VM isn't
> flushed...
> 

One option, probably a lot saner (if we care at all, after all, copying 8K
really isn't that much, but it might have some impact on real-time processes,
which is one of the rather few use cases for direct I/O) would be to keep the
bitmask in a pre-formatted TSS (ioperm being per thread, so no concerns about
the TSS being in use on another processor), and copy the TSS fields (88 bytes)
over if and only if the thread has been migrated to a different CPU, then
switch the TSS rather than switching  For the common case (no ioperms) we use
the standard per-cpu TSS.

That being said, I don't actually know that copying 88 bytes + LTR is any
cheaper than copying 8K.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-08  1:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-06 19:34 [patch 0/9] x86/iopl: Prevent user space from using CLI/STI with iopl(3) Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 1/9] x86/ptrace: Prevent truncation of bitmap size Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  7:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 2/9] x86/process: Unify copy_thread_tls() Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-08 22:31   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-08 23:43     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-10 12:36       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-10 16:56         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-11  8:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 3/9] x86/cpu: Unify cpu_init() Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-08 22:34   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 4/9] x86/io: Speedup schedule out of I/O bitmap user Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  9:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-07 14:04     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07 14:08       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-08 22:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-08 23:45           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-09  3:32             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-10 12:43               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-09  0:24   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 5/9] x86/ioport: Reduce ioperm impact for sane usage further Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  1:11   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-07  7:44     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  8:25     ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-07  9:17       ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-07 10:00         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07 10:13           ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-07 10:19           ` hpa
2019-11-07 10:27             ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-07 10:50               ` hpa
2019-11-07 12:56                 ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-07 16:45                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-11-07 16:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-07 16:57                     ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-10 17:17       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-07  7:37   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-07  7:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  8:16   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-07 18:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07 19:24   ` Brian Gerst
2019-11-07 19:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-07 21:00       ` Brian Gerst
2019-11-07 21:32         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07 23:20           ` hpa
2019-11-07 21:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-08  1:12           ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2019-11-08  2:12             ` Brian Gerst
2019-11-10 17:21           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 6/9] x86/iopl: Fixup misleading comment Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 7/9] x86/iopl: Restrict iopl() permission scope Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  9:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-10 17:26   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-10 20:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-10 21:05       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-10 21:21         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 8/9] x86/iopl: Remove legacy IOPL option Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  6:11   ` Jürgen Groß
2019-11-07  6:26     ` hpa
2019-11-07 16:44     ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-11-07  9:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 9/9] selftests/x86/iopl: Verify that CLI/STI result in #GP Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  7:28 ` [patch] x86/iopl: Remove unused local variable, update comments in ksys_ioperm() Ingo Molnar

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=6cac6943-2f6c-d48a-658e-08b3bf87921a@zytor.com \
    --to=hpa@zytor.com \
    --cc=brgerst@gmail.com \
    --cc=jgross@suse.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=sean.j.christopherson@intel.com \
    --cc=stephen@networkplumber.org \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=w@1wt.eu \
    --cc=x86@kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).