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Thu, 04 Jun 2020 08:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: alex.popov@linux.com Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] gcc-plugins/stackleak: Exclude alloca() from the instrumentation logic To: Jann Horn , Kees Cook , Elena Reshetova Cc: Emese Revfy , Miguel Ojeda , Masahiro Yamada , Michal Marek , Andrew Morton , Masahiro Yamada , Thiago Jung Bauermann , Luis Chamberlain , Jessica Yu , Sven Schnelle , Iurii Zaikin , Catalin Marinas , Will Deacon , Vincenzo Frascino , Thomas Gleixner , Peter Collingbourne , Naohiro Aota , Alexander Monakov , Mathias Krause , PaX Team , Brad Spengler , Laura Abbott , Florian Weimer , Kernel Hardening , linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, the arch/x86 maintainers , Linux ARM , kernel list , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, notify@kernel.org References: <20200604134957.505389-1-alex.popov@linux.com> <20200604134957.505389-2-alex.popov@linux.com> From: Alexander Popov Autocrypt: addr=alex.popov@linux.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFX15q4BEADZartsIW3sQ9R+9TOuCFRIW+RDCoBWNHhqDLu+Tzf2mZevVSF0D5AMJW4f UB1QigxOuGIeSngfmgLspdYe2Kl8+P8qyfrnBcS4hLFyLGjaP7UVGtpUl7CUxz2Hct3yhsPz ID/rnCSd0Q+3thrJTq44b2kIKqM1swt/F2Er5Bl0B4o5WKx4J9k6Dz7bAMjKD8pHZJnScoP4 dzKPhrytN/iWM01eRZRc1TcIdVsRZC3hcVE6OtFoamaYmePDwWTRhmDtWYngbRDVGe3Tl8bT 7BYN7gv7Ikt7Nq2T2TOfXEQqr9CtidxBNsqFEaajbFvpLDpUPw692+4lUbQ7FL0B1WYLvWkG cVysClEyX3VBSMzIG5eTF0Dng9RqItUxpbD317ihKqYL95jk6eK6XyI8wVOCEa1V3MhtvzUo WGZVkwm9eMVZ05GbhzmT7KHBEBbCkihS+TpVxOgzvuV+heCEaaxIDWY/k8u4tgbrVVk+tIVG 99v1//kNLqd5KuwY1Y2/h2MhRrfxqGz+l/f/qghKh+1iptm6McN//1nNaIbzXQ2Ej34jeWDa xAN1C1OANOyV7mYuYPNDl5c9QrbcNGg3D6gOeGeGiMn11NjbjHae3ipH8MkX7/k8pH5q4Lhh Ra0vtJspeg77CS4b7+WC5jlK3UAKoUja3kGgkCrnfNkvKjrkEwARAQABtCZBbGV4YW5kZXIg UG9wb3YgPGFsZXgucG9wb3ZAbGludXguY29tPokCVwQTAQgAQQIbIwIeAQIXgAULCQgHAwUV CgkICwUWAgMBAAIZARYhBLl2JLAkAVM0bVvWTo4Oneu8fo+qBQJdehKcBQkLRpLuAAoJEI4O neu8fo+qrkgP/jS0EhDnWhIFBnWaUKYWeiwR69DPwCs/lNezOu63vg30O9BViEkWsWwXQA+c SVVTz5f9eB9K2me7G06A3U5AblOJKdoZeNX5GWMdrrGNLVISsa0geXNT95TRnFqE1HOZJiHT NFyw2nv+qQBUHBAKPlk3eL4/Yev/P8w990Aiiv6/RN3IoxqTfSu2tBKdQqdxTjEJ7KLBlQBm 5oMpm/P2Y/gtBiXRvBd7xgv7Y3nShPUDymjBnc+efHFqARw84VQPIG4nqVhIei8gSWps49DX kp6v4wUzUAqFo+eh/ErWmyBNETuufpxZnAljtnKpwmpFCcq9yfcMlyOO9/viKn14grabE7qE 4j3/E60wraHu8uiXJlfXmt0vG16vXb8g5a25Ck09UKkXRGkNTylXsAmRbrBrA3Moqf8QzIk9 p+aVu/vFUs4ywQrFNvn7Qwt2hWctastQJcH3jrrLk7oGLvue5KOThip0SNicnOxVhCqstjYx KEnzZxtna5+rYRg22Zbfg0sCAAEGOWFXjqg3hw400oRxTW7IhiE34Kz1wHQqNif0i5Eor+TS 22r9iF4jUSnk1jaVeRKOXY89KxzxWhnA06m8IvW1VySHoY1ZG6xEZLmbp3OuuFCbleaW07OU 9L8L1Gh1rkAz0Fc9eOR8a2HLVFnemmgAYTJqBks/sB/DD0SuuQINBFX15q4BEACtxRV/pF1P XiGSbTNPlM9z/cElzo/ICCFX+IKg+byRvOMoEgrzQ28ah0N5RXQydBtfjSOMV1IjSb3oc23z oW2J9DefC5b8G1Lx2Tz6VqRFXC5OAxuElaZeoowV1VEJuN3Ittlal0+KnRYY0PqnmLzTXGA9 GYjw/p7l7iME7gLHVOggXIk7MP+O+1tSEf23n+dopQZrkEP2BKSC6ihdU4W8928pApxrX1Lt tv2HOPJKHrcfiqVuFSsb/skaFf4uveAPC4AausUhXQVpXIg8ZnxTZ+MsqlwELv+Vkm/SNEWl n0KMd58gvG3s0bE8H2GTaIO3a0TqNKUY16WgNglRUi0WYb7+CLNrYqteYMQUqX7+bB+NEj/4 8dHw+xxaIHtLXOGxW6zcPGFszaYArjGaYfiTTA1+AKWHRKvD3MJTYIonphy5EuL9EACLKjEF v3CdK5BLkqTGhPfYtE3B/Ix3CUS1Aala0L+8EjXdclVpvHQ5qXHs229EJxfUVf2ucpWNIUdf lgnjyF4B3R3BFWbM4Yv8QbLBvVv1Dc4hZ70QUXy2ZZX8keza2EzPj3apMcDmmbklSwdC5kYG EFT4ap06R2QW+6Nw27jDtbK4QhMEUCHmoOIaS9j0VTU4fR9ZCpVT/ksc2LPMhg3YqNTrnb1v RVNUZvh78zQeCXC2VamSl9DMcwARAQABiQI8BBgBCAAmAhsMFiEEuXYksCQBUzRtW9ZOjg6d 67x+j6oFAl16ErcFCQtGkwkACgkQjg6d67x+j6q7zA/+IsjSKSJypgOImN9LYjeb++7wDjXp qvEpq56oAn21CvtbGus3OcC0hrRtyZ/rC5Qc+S5SPaMRFUaK8S3j1vYC0wZJ99rrmQbcbYMh C2o0k4pSejaINmgyCajVOhUhln4IuwvZke1CLfXe1i3ZtlaIUrxfXqfYpeijfM/JSmliPxwW BRnQRcgS85xpC1pBUMrraxajaVPwu7hCTke03v6bu8zSZlgA1rd9E6KHu2VNS46VzUPjbR77 kO7u6H5PgQPKcuJwQQ+d3qa+5ZeKmoVkc2SuHVrCd1yKtAMmKBoJtSku1evXPwyBzqHFOInk mLMtrWuUhj+wtcnOWxaP+n4ODgUwc/uvyuamo0L2Gp3V5ItdIUDO/7ZpZ/3JxvERF3Yc1md8 5kfflpLzpxyl2fKaRdvxr48ZLv9XLUQ4qNuADDmJArq/+foORAX4BBFWvqZQKe8a9ZMAvGSh uoGUVg4Ks0uC4IeG7iNtd+csmBj5dNf91C7zV4bsKt0JjiJ9a4D85dtCOPmOeNuusK7xaDZc gzBW8J8RW+nUJcTpudX4TC2SGeAOyxnM5O4XJ8yZyDUY334seDRJWtS4wRHxpfYcHKTewR96 IsP1USE+9ndu6lrMXQ3aFsd1n1m1pfa/y8hiqsSYHy7JQ9Iuo9DxysOj22UNOmOE+OYPK48D j3lCqPk= Message-ID: <70319f78-2c7c-8141-d751-07f28203db7c@linux.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:23:38 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 04.06.2020 17:01, Jann Horn wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:51 PM Alexander Popov wrote: >> Some time ago Variable Length Arrays (VLA) were removed from the kernel. >> The kernel is built with '-Wvla'. Let's exclude alloca() from the >> instrumentation logic and make it simpler. The build-time assertion >> against alloca() is added instead. > [...] >> + /* Variable Length Arrays are forbidden in the kernel */ >> + gcc_assert(!is_alloca(stmt)); > > There is a patch series from Elena and Kees on the kernel-hardening > list that deliberately uses __builtin_alloca() in the syscall entry > path to randomize the stack pointer per-syscall - see > . Thanks, Jann. At first glance, leaving alloca() handling in stackleak instrumentation logic would allow to integrate stackleak and this version of random_kstack_offset. Kees, Elena, did you try random_kstack_offset with upstream stackleak? It looks to me that without stackleak erasing random_kstack_offset can be weaker. I mean, if next syscall has a bigger stack randomization gap, the data on thread stack from the previous syscall is not overwritten and can be used. Am I right? Another aspect: CONFIG_STACKLEAK_METRICS can be used for guessing kernel stack offset, which is bad. It should be disabled if random_kstack_offset is on. Best regards, Alexander