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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/39] x86/entry/32: Handle Entry from Kernel-Mode on Entry-Stack
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:36:47 -0700
Message-ID: <75BDF04F-9585-438C-AE04-918FBE00A174@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180714080159.hqp36q7fxzb2ktlq@suse.de>



> On Jul 14, 2018, at 1:01 AM, Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:26:54PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>> So based on that, I did the above because the entry-stack is a per-cpu
>>> data structure and I am not sure that we always return from the exception
>>> on the same CPU where we got it. Therefore the path is called
>>> PARANOID_... :)
>> 
>> But we should just be able to IRET and end up right back on the entry
>> stack where we were when we got interrupted.
> 
> Yeah, but using another CPUs entry-stack is a bad idea, no? Especially
> since the owning CPU might have overwritten our content there already.
> 
>> On x86_64, we *definitely* can’t schedule in NMI, MCE, or #DB because
>> we’re on a percpu stack. Are you *sure* we need this patch?
> 
> I am sure we need this patch, but not 100% sure that we really can
> change CPUs in this path. We are not only talking about NMI, #MC and
> #DB, but also about #GP and every other exception that can happen while
> writing segments registers or on iret. With this implementation we are
> on the safe side for this unlikely slow-path.

Oh, right, exceptions while writing segment regs. IRET is special, though.

But I’m still unconvinced. If any code executed with IRQs enabled on the entry stack, then that code is terminally buggy. If you’re executing with IRQs off, you’re not going to get migrated.  64-bit kernels run on percpu stacks all the time, and it’s not a problem.

IRET errors are genuinely special and, if they’re causing a problem for you, we should fix them the same way we deal with them on x86_64. M

> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Joerg

  reply index

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-11 11:29 [PATCH 00/39 v7] PTI support for x86-32 Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 01/39] x86/asm-offsets: Move TSS_sp0 and TSS_sp1 to asm-offsets.c Joerg Roedel
2018-07-12 20:44   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 02/39] x86/entry/32: Rename TSS_sysenter_sp0 to TSS_entry_stack Joerg Roedel
2018-07-12 20:44   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 03/39] x86/entry/32: Load task stack from x86_tss.sp1 in SYSENTER handler Joerg Roedel
2018-07-12 20:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-13  9:48     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 17:19       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-13 23:17         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-17  7:05           ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-17 20:04             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 04/39] x86/entry/32: Put ESPFIX code into a macro Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 05/39] x86/entry/32: Unshare NMI return path Joerg Roedel
2018-07-12 20:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-13 10:05     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 17:26       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 06/39] x86/entry/32: Split off return-to-kernel path Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 07/39] x86/entry/32: Enter the kernel via trampoline stack Joerg Roedel
2018-07-12 21:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-13 10:56     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 17:21       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-17  7:07         ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 08/39] x86/entry/32: Leave " Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 09/39] x86/entry/32: Introduce SAVE_ALL_NMI and RESTORE_ALL_NMI Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 10/39] x86/entry/32: Handle Entry from Kernel-Mode on Entry-Stack Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 23:31   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-14  5:21     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-14  6:26       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-14  8:01         ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-14 14:36           ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-07-17  7:15             ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-17 20:06               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-18 11:59                 ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 11/39] x86/entry/32: Simplify debug entry point Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 12/39] x86/32: Use tss.sp1 as cpu_current_top_of_stack Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 13/39] x86/entry/32: Add PTI cr3 switch to non-NMI entry/exit points Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 14/39] x86/entry/32: Add PTI cr3 switches to NMI handler code Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 15/39] x86/pgtable: Rename pti_set_user_pgd to pti_set_user_pgtbl Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 16/39] x86/pgtable/pae: Unshare kernel PMDs when PTI is enabled Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 17/39] x86/pgtable/32: Allocate 8k page-tables " Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 18/39] x86/pgtable: Move pgdp kernel/user conversion functions to pgtable.h Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 19/39] x86/pgtable: Move pti_set_user_pgtbl() " Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 20/39] x86/pgtable: Move two more functions from pgtable_64.h " Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 21/39] x86/mm/pae: Populate valid user PGD entries Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 22/39] x86/mm/pae: Populate the user page-table with user pgd's Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 23/39] x86/mm/legacy: " Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 24/39] x86/mm/pti: Add an overflow check to pti_clone_pmds() Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 25/39] x86/mm/pti: Define X86_CR3_PTI_PCID_USER_BIT on x86_32 Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 26/39] x86/mm/pti: Clone CPU_ENTRY_AREA on PMD level " Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 27/39] x86/mm/pti: Make pti_clone_kernel_text() compile on 32 bit Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 28/39] x86/mm/pti: Keep permissions when cloning kernel text in pti_clone_kernel_text() Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 23:25   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 29/39] x86/mm/pti: Introduce pti_finalize() Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 30/39] x86/mm/pti: Clone entry-text again in pti_finalize() Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 23:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-14  5:04     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 31/39] x86/mm/dump_pagetables: Define INIT_PGD Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 32/39] x86/pgtable/pae: Use separate kernel PMDs for user page-table Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 33/39] x86/ldt: Reserve address-space range on 32 bit for the LDT Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 34/39] x86/ldt: Define LDT_END_ADDR Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 17:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 35/39] x86/ldt: Split out sanity check in map_ldt_struct() Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 23:18   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 36/39] x86/ldt: Enable LDT user-mapping for PAE Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 37/39] x86/pti: Allow CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION for x86_32 Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 38/39] x86/mm/pti: Add Warning when booting on a PCID capable CPU Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 18:59   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-14  5:08     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 11:29 ` [PATCH 39/39] x86/entry/32: Add debug code to check entry/exit cr3 Joerg Roedel
2018-07-13 17:28   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-14  5:09     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-11 16:28 ` [PATCH 00/39 v7] PTI support for x86-32 Linus Torvalds
2018-07-11 17:28   ` Jiri Kosina
2018-07-11 19:57     ` Thomas Backlund
2018-07-12 13:59       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-07-11 21:07   ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-16  7:51 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-17  2:07 ` David H. Gutteridge
2018-07-17  6:16   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-07-18  9:40 [PATCH 00/39 v8] " Joerg Roedel
2018-07-18  9:40 ` [PATCH 10/39] x86/entry/32: Handle Entry from Kernel-Mode on Entry-Stack Joerg Roedel
2018-10-12 18:29   ` Jan Kiszka

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