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From: "Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)"  <longpeng2@huawei.com>
To: "Paraschiv, Andra-Irina" <andraprs@amazon.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@amazon.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@amazon.com>,
	Colm MacCarthaigh <colmmacc@amazon.com>,
	Bjoern Doebel <doebel@amazon.de>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	Frank van der Linden <fllinden@amazon.com>,
	Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.de>,
	Martin Pohlack <mpohlack@amazon.de>, Matt Wilson <msw@amazon.com>,
	Balbir Singh <sblbir@amazon.com>,
	Stewart Smith <trawets@amazon.com>,
	Uwe Dannowski <uwed@amazon.de>, <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	<ne-devel-upstream@amazon.com>,
	"Gonglei (Arei)" <arei.gonglei@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/15] Add support for Nitro Enclaves
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 09:55:28 +0800
Message-ID: <77af0b1c-9884-5a75-02bd-1cc63c57971c@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f701e084-7d2d-35dd-31ec-adc7d2a9e893@amazon.com>



On 2020/4/24 17:54, Paraschiv, Andra-Irina wrote:
> 
> 
> On 24/04/2020 11:19, Paraschiv, Andra-Irina wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 24/04/2020 06:04, Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product
>> Dept.) wrote:
>>> On 2020/4/23 21:19, Paraschiv, Andra-Irina wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 22/04/2020 00:46, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>>>> On 21/04/20 20:41, Andra Paraschiv wrote:
>>>>>> An enclave communicates with the primary VM via a local communication
>>>>>> channel,
>>>>>> using virtio-vsock [2]. An enclave does not have a disk or a network device
>>>>>> attached.
>>>>> Is it possible to have a sample of this in the samples/ directory?
>>>> I can add in v2 a sample file including the basic flow of how to use the ioctl
>>>> interface to create / terminate an enclave.
>>>>
>>>> Then we can update / build on top it based on the ongoing discussions on the
>>>> patch series and the received feedback.
>>>>
>>>>> I am interested especially in:
>>>>>
>>>>> - the initial CPU state: CPL0 vs. CPL3, initial program counter, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> - the communication channel; does the enclave see the usual local APIC
>>>>> and IOAPIC interfaces in order to get interrupts from virtio-vsock, and
>>>>> where is the virtio-vsock device (virtio-mmio I suppose) placed in memory?
>>>>>
>>>>> - what the enclave is allowed to do: can it change privilege levels,
>>>>> what happens if the enclave performs an access to nonexistent memory, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> - whether there are special hypercall interfaces for the enclave
>>>> An enclave is a VM, running on the same host as the primary VM, that launched
>>>> the enclave. They are siblings.
>>>>
>>>> Here we need to think of two components:
>>>>
>>>> 1. An enclave abstraction process - a process running in the primary VM guest,
>>>> that uses the provided ioctl interface of the Nitro Enclaves kernel driver to
>>>> spawn an enclave VM (that's 2 below).
>>>>
>>>> How does all gets to an enclave VM running on the host?
>>>>
>>>> There is a Nitro Enclaves emulated PCI device exposed to the primary VM. The
>>>> driver for this new PCI device is included in the current patch series.
>>>>
>>> Hi Paraschiv,
>>>
>>> The new PCI device is emulated in QEMU ? If so, is there any plan to send the
>>> QEMU code ?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Nope, not that I know of so far.
> 
> And just to be a bit more clear, the reply above takes into consideration that
> it's not emulated in QEMU.
> 

Thanks.

Guys in this thread are much more interested in the design of enclave VM and the
new device, but there's no any document about this device yet, so I think the
emulate code is a good alternative. However, Alex said the device specific will
be published later, so I'll wait for it.

> 
> Thanks,
> Andra
> 
>>
>>>
>>>> The ioctl logic is mapped to PCI device commands e.g. the NE_ENCLAVE_START
>>>> ioctl
>>>> maps to an enclave start PCI command or the KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION maps to
>>>> an add memory PCI command. The PCI device commands are then translated into
>>>> actions taken on the hypervisor side; that's the Nitro hypervisor running on
>>>> the
>>>> host where the primary VM is running.
>>>>
>>>> 2. The enclave itself - a VM running on the same host as the primary VM that
>>>> spawned it.
>>>>
>>>> The enclave VM has no persistent storage or network interface attached, it uses
>>>> its own memory and CPUs + its virtio-vsock emulated device for communication
>>>> with the primary VM.
>>>>
>>>> The memory and CPUs are carved out of the primary VM, they are dedicated for
>>>> the
>>>> enclave. The Nitro hypervisor running on the host ensures memory and CPU
>>>> isolation between the primary VM and the enclave VM.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These two components need to reflect the same state e.g. when the enclave
>>>> abstraction process (1) is terminated, the enclave VM (2) is terminated as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> With regard to the communication channel, the primary VM has its own emulated
>>>> virtio-vsock PCI device. The enclave VM has its own emulated virtio-vsock
>>>> device
>>>> as well. This channel is used, for example, to fetch data in the enclave and
>>>> then process it. An application that sets up the vsock socket and connects or
>>>> listens, depending on the use case, is then developed to use this channel; this
>>>> happens on both ends - primary VM and enclave VM.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if further clarifications are needed.
>>>>
>>>>>> The proposed solution is following the KVM model and uses the KVM API to
>>>>>> be able
>>>>>> to create and set resources for enclaves. An additional ioctl command,
>>>>>> besides
>>>>>> the ones provided by KVM, is used to start an enclave and setup the
>>>>>> addressing
>>>>>> for the communication channel and an enclave unique id.
>>>>> Reusing some KVM ioctls is definitely a good idea, but I wouldn't really
>>>>> say it's the KVM API since the VCPU file descriptor is basically non
>>>>> functional (without KVM_RUN and mmap it's not really the KVM API).
>>>> It uses part of the KVM API or a set of KVM ioctls to model the way a VM is
>>>> created / terminated. That's true, KVM_RUN and mmap-ing the vcpu fd are not
>>>> included.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback regarding the reuse of KVM ioctls.
>>>>
>>>> Andra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amazon Development Center (Romania) S.R.L. registered office: 27A Sf. Lazar
>>>> Street, UBC5, floor 2, Iasi, Iasi County, 700045, Romania. Registered in
>>>> Romania. Registration number J22/2621/2005.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Amazon Development Center (Romania) S.R.L. registered office: 27A Sf. Lazar
> Street, UBC5, floor 2, Iasi, Iasi County, 700045, Romania. Registered in
> Romania. Registration number J22/2621/2005.
---
Regards,
Longpeng(Mike)

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Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-21 18:41 Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 01/15] nitro_enclaves: Add ioctl interface definition Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:47   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-04-21 21:45     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-22 15:49       ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 02/15] nitro_enclaves: Define the PCI device interface Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 21:22   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-23 13:37     ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-24 15:10       ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 03/15] nitro_enclaves: Define enclave info for internal bookkeeping Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 04/15] nitro_enclaves: Init PCI device driver Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-25 14:25   ` Liran Alon
2020-04-29 16:31     ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 05/15] nitro_enclaves: Handle PCI device command requests Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-25 14:52   ` Liran Alon
2020-04-29 17:00     ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 06/15] nitro_enclaves: Handle out-of-band PCI device events Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 07/15] nitro_enclaves: Init misc device providing the ioctl interface Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 08/15] nitro_enclaves: Add logic for enclave vm creation Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 09/15] nitro_enclaves: Add logic for enclave vcpu creation Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 10/15] nitro_enclaves: Add logic for enclave memory region set Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 11/15] nitro_enclaves: Add logic for enclave start Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 12/15] nitro_enclaves: Add logic for enclave termination Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 13/15] nitro_enclaves: Add Kconfig for the Nitro Enclaves driver Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 18:50   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-04-22 14:35     ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 14/15] nitro_enclaves: Add Makefile " Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-23  8:12   ` kbuild test robot
2020-04-24 17:00     ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-23  8:43   ` kbuild test robot
2020-04-24 15:27     ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-21 18:41 ` [PATCH v1 15/15] MAINTAINERS: Add entry " Andra Paraschiv
2020-04-21 21:46 ` [PATCH v1 00/15] Add support for Nitro Enclaves Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-23 13:19   ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-23 13:42     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-23 17:42       ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-23 17:51         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-23 20:56           ` Alexander Graf
2020-04-23 21:18             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-24 12:56               ` Alexander Graf
2020-04-24 16:27                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-24 19:11                   ` Alexander Graf
2020-04-25 16:05                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-27  9:15                       ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-27  9:22                       ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-27  9:46                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-27 10:00                           ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-28 15:07                       ` Alexander Graf
2020-04-29 13:20                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-30 13:59                           ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-30 10:34                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-30 11:21                           ` Alexander Graf
2020-04-30 11:38                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-30 11:47                               ` Alexander Graf
2020-04-30 11:58                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-04-30 12:19                                   ` Alexander Graf
2020-05-07 17:44       ` Pavel Machek
2020-05-08  7:00         ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-05-09 19:21           ` Pavel Machek
2020-05-10 11:02             ` Herrenschmidt, Benjamin
2020-05-11 10:49               ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-05-11 13:49               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-04-24  3:04     ` Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)
2020-04-24  8:19       ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-24  9:54         ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-26  1:55           ` Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.) [this message]
2020-04-27 18:39             ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-24  9:59     ` Tian, Kevin
2020-04-24 13:59       ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-26  8:16         ` Tian, Kevin
2020-04-27 19:05           ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
     [not found]         ` <CAKXe6SLonLQLAOY9Q_2AzTeg4uJxiknsAWnJpTF0hMcXEG5Tew@mail.gmail.com>
2020-05-11 12:05           ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-25 15:25     ` Liran Alon
2020-04-27  7:56       ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2020-04-27 11:44         ` Liran Alon
2020-04-28 15:25           ` Alexander Graf
2020-04-28 16:01             ` Liran Alon

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