From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34588C35675 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 00:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A0F2071C for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 00:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727281AbgBXAnJ (ORCPT ); Sun, 23 Feb 2020 19:43:09 -0500 Received: from esgaroth.petrovitsch.at ([78.47.184.11]:5712 "EHLO esgaroth.tuxoid.at" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727151AbgBXAnI (ORCPT ); Sun, 23 Feb 2020 19:43:08 -0500 X-Greylist: delayed 3401 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Sun, 23 Feb 2020 19:43:08 EST Received: from thorin.petrovitsch.priv.at (80-110-97-114.cgn.dynamic.surfer.at [80.110.97.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by esgaroth.tuxoid.at (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 01NNk3Mg005792 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Feb 2020 00:46:09 +0100 Subject: Re: General Discussion about GPLness To: Stephan von Krawczynski Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bruce@perens.com References: <8b0e828da35ab77c1ad4603768c6eab6@waifu.club> <20200223133301.03eab91d@ithnet.com> <2241a3e0c8dcba5b69b4f670e181d7cd@waifu.club> <20200223153909.1ba91bae@ithnet.com> <20200223214757.5adf49e4@ithnet.com> From: Bernd Petrovitsch Message-ID: <7896b0b9-c12e-5327-f531-95097cf04eca@tuxoid.at> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 00:46:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200223214757.5adf49e4@ithnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: esgaroth.tuxoid.at 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at esgaroth.tuxoid.at X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi all! On 23/02/2020 21:47, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: [...] > I do understand why you cannot enter a discussion with your real name, as most I ignore folks who don't use their real name - this is since Usenet times an indication for a troll ... > of your input is of zero quality - and below. [...] > But our story is > about kernel modules, something everybody is free to write and publish, with a ... publish implicitly with a GPLv2 or compatible license ... > defined and open interface for interaction. No kernel code is modified in that And that's a point which is completely wrong: the only *defined* interface of the kernel is sys-calls, /proc and similar. And all of this is from user-space to kernel-space and back. There is no (and never was) a "defined interface" within the kernel (inter-operating in kernel space) in any direction simply because the kernel-internal (infra)structure changes more or less constantly - some may call that evolution;-) And I don't get what an "open interface" here couls seriously mean. You surely don't want to call the list of the GPL_EXPORTed C functions (which may change from one kernel version to the next) an "open interface" (whatever that should suggest). At most the list of GPL_EXPORTed C functions is a de-facto interface and that may change from one git-commit to the next. > sense. But you fail to understand that. > Hopefully others here do. I do not expect them to stand up and jump into a > discussion where you are a part of. But I hope people start to think about it And you are barking up the wrong tree. The discussion has to happen in the ZFS-world so that they fix their license if they want to interface with any GPL software (without sys-calls etc. in between - WTF it works via FUSE) like they seen to do now. And no, I'm not a lawyer so I won't comment more on the law-aspects - the above is my short summary of discussions hereover about license clashes etc. over the last decades ... [ Full quote deleted - pls do not top-post] MfG, Bernd -- Bernd Petrovitsch Email : bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at LUGA : http://www.luga.at