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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] mm: Add PG_zero support
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:14:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7a064e81-6bc1-b3e7-5f82-292ffa392058@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200413084915.1bae0007@w520.home>

On 4/13/20 7:49 AM, Alex Williamson wrote:
>> VFIO's unconditional page pinning is the real problem here IMNHO.  They
>> don't *really* need to pin the memory.  We just don't have good
>> paravirtualized IOMMU support or want to pay the runtime cost for
>> pin/unpin operations.  You *could* totally have speedy VM startup if
>> only the pages being accessed or having DMA performed to them were
>> allocated.  But, the hacks that are in place mean that everything must
>> be pinned.
> Maybe in an SEV or Secure Boot environment we can assume the VM guest
> OS uses the IOMMU exclusively for DMA, but otherwise the IOMMU is
> optional (at least for x86, other archs do require IOMMU support
> afaik).  Therefore, how would we know which pages to pin when there are
> only limited configs where we might be able to lean on the vIOMMU to
> this extent?  Thanks,

You can delay pinning until the device is actually used.  That should be
late enough for the host to figure out whether a paravirtualized IOMMU
is in place.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-13 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-12  9:07 [RFC PATCH 0/4] mm: Add PG_zero support liliangleo
2020-04-13  1:43 ` Dave Hansen
2020-04-13 14:49   ` Alex Williamson
2020-04-13 15:14     ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2020-04-13 15:25       ` Raj, Ashok
2020-04-13 15:47       ` Alex Williamson
2020-04-13 16:43         ` Dave Hansen
2020-04-14 12:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 15:07   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-04-14 15:40     ` Daniel Jordan
2020-04-14 15:44     ` David Hildenbrand

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