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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <830db851-d5cb-4081-8d72-e3f3a0a282df@arm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Language: en-US X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.16 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.39]); Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 01/14/2019 08:54 AM, James Morse wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On 14/01/2019 13:16, Peter Zijlstra wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 06:32:58PM +0000, James Morse wrote: >>> On 10/01/2019 20:12, Peter Zijlstra wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 06:25:57PM +0000, James Morse wrote: >>>> The thing is, everything non-maskable (NMI like) really should not be >>>> using spinlocks at all. >>>> >>>> I otherwise have no clue about wth APEI is, but it sounds like horrible >>>> crap ;-) >>> I think you've called it that before!: its that GHES thing in drivers/acpi/apei. >>> >>> What is the alternative? bit_spin_lock()? >>> These things can happen independently on multiple CPUs. On arm64 these NMIlike >>> things don't affect all CPUs like they seem to on x86. >> It has nothing to do with how many CPUs are affected. It has everything >> to do with not being maskable. > (sorry, I didn't include any of the context, let me back-up a bit here:) > >> What avoids the trivial self-recursion: >> >> spin_lock(&) >> >> spin_lock(&x) >> ... wait forever more ... >> >> spin_unlock(&x) >> >> ? > If its trying to take the same lock, I agree its deadlocked. > If the sequence above started with , I agree its deadlocked. > > APEI/GHES is doing neither of these things. It take a lock that is only ever > taken in_nmi(). nmi_enter()s BUG_ON(in_nmi()) means these never become re-entrant. > > What is the lock doing? Protecting the 'NMI' fixmap slot in the unlikely case > that two CPUs end up in here at the same time. > > (I though x86's NMI masked NMI until the next iret?) > > > This is murkier on arm64 as we have multiple things that behave like this, but > there is an order to them, and none of them can interrupt themselves. > e.g. We can't take an SError during the SError handler. > > But we can take this SError/NMI on another CPU while the first one is still > running the handler. > > These multiple NMIlike notifications mean having multiple locks/fixmap-slots, > one per notification. This is where the qspinlock node limit comes in, as we > could have more than 4 contexts. Still it will be extremely unlikely to have more than 4 nested spinlock acquisitions with contention. Do you think it will be helpful to make the MAX_NODES parameter configurable to either 4 or 8? For x86, I think we can live with 4. On arm64, we can opt for 8 if you think there is a decent chance that more than 4 could be needed under certain circumstances. This will, of course, reduce the max NR_CPUS by half. Cheers, Longman