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From: Enric Balletbo i Serra <enric.balletbo@collabora.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>
Cc: Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>,
	Doug Anderson <dianders@google.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Jingoo Han <jingoohan1@gmail.com>,
	Richard Purdie <rpurdie@rpsys.net>,
	Jacek Anaszewski <jacek.anaszewski@gmail.com>,
	Brian Norris <briannorris@google.com>,
	Guenter Roeck <groeck@google.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	Alexandru Stan <amstan@google.com>,
	linux-leds@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel@collabora.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/4] backlight: pwm_bl: compute brightness of LED linearly to human eye.
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:00:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <819ecbcd-18e3-0f6b-6121-67cb363df440@collabora.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190608210226.GB2359@xo-6d-61-c0.localdomain>

Hi Matthias,

On 8/6/19 23:02, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
>>> +	 * Note that this method is based on empirical testing on different
>>> +	 * devices with PWM of 8 and 16 bits of resolution.
>>> +	 */
>>> +	n = period;
>>> +	while (n) {
>>> +		counter += n % 2;
>>> +		n >>= 1;
>>> +	}
>>
>> I don't quite follow the heuristics above. Are you sure the number of
>> PWM bits can be infered from the period? What if the period value (in
>> ns) doesn't directly correspond to a register value? And even if it
>> did, counting the number of set bits (the above loops is a
>> re-implementation of ffs()) doesn't really result in the dividers
>> mentioned in the comment. E.g. a period of 32768 ns (0x8000) results
>> in a divider of 1, i.e. 32768 brighness levels.
>>

Right, I think that only works on the cases that we only have one pwm cell, and
looks like during my tests I did only tests on devices with one pwm cell :-(

And as you point the code is broken for other cases (pwm-cells > 1)

>> On veyron minnie the period is 1000000 ns, which results in 142858
>> levels (1000000 / 7)!
>>
>> Not sure if there is a clean solution using heuristics, a DT property
>> specifying the number of levels could be an alternative. This could
>> also be useful to limit the number of (mostly) redundant levels, even
>> the intended max of 4096 seems pretty high.
>>

Looking again looks like we _can not_ deduce the number of bits of a pwm, it is
not exposed at all, so I think we will need to end adding a property to specify
this. Something similar to what leds-pwm binding does, it has:

max-brightness : Maximum brightness possible for the LED


Enric

>> Another (not directly related) observation is that on minnie the
>> actual brightness at a nominal 50% is close to 0 (duty cycle ~3%). I
>> haven't tested with other devices, but I wonder if it would make
>> sense to have an option to drop the bottom N% of levels, since the
>> near 0 brightness in the lower 50% probably isn't very useful in most
>> use cases, but maybe it looks different on other devices.
> 
> Eye percieves logarithm(duty cycle), mostly, and I find very low brightness
> levels quite useful when trying to use machine in dark room.
> 
> But yes, specifying if brightness is linear or exponential would be quite
> useful.
> 									Pavel
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-10 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-08 11:30 [PATCH v3 0/4] backlight: pwm_bl: support linear interpolation and brightness to human eye Enric Balletbo i Serra
2018-02-08 11:30 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] backlight: pwm_bl: linear interpolation between brightness-levels Enric Balletbo i Serra
2018-04-06 15:46   ` Daniel Thompson
2018-02-08 11:30 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] dt-bindings: pwm-backlight: add a num-interpolation-steps property Enric Balletbo i Serra
2018-02-18 22:49   ` Rob Herring
2018-02-08 11:30 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] backlight: pwm_bl: compute brightness of LED linearly to human eye Enric Balletbo i Serra
2018-04-06 15:51   ` Daniel Thompson
2019-06-07 22:19   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2019-06-08 21:02     ` Pavel Machek
2019-06-10 10:00       ` Enric Balletbo i Serra [this message]
2019-06-10 20:39         ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2019-06-10 21:02           ` Enric Balletbo i Serra
2019-06-10 21:54             ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2019-06-10 20:52       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2019-06-11 10:49         ` Daniel Thompson
2019-06-11 16:55           ` Brian Norris
2019-06-11 22:30             ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2019-06-12  9:54               ` Pavel Machek
2019-06-12 11:03               ` Daniel Thompson
2019-06-12 19:26                 ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2019-06-12 19:47                   ` Daniel Thompson
2019-06-12 21:59                     ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2019-06-17 13:01                   ` Pavel Machek
2019-06-17 20:03                     ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-02-08 11:30 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] dt-bindings: pwm-backlight: move brightness-levels to optional Enric Balletbo i Serra
2018-03-19 16:04 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] backlight: pwm_bl: support linear interpolation and brightness to human eye Enric Balletbo Serra
2018-03-20 11:22   ` Daniel Thompson
2018-03-20 12:13     ` Enric Balletbo Serra
2018-04-06 15:54       ` Daniel Thompson
2018-04-09  8:17 ` Lee Jones

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