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From: "J. R. Okajima" <hooanon05@yahoo.co.jp>
To: sedat.dilek@gmail.com
Cc: Andrew Watts <akwatts@ymail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Baumann <daniel@debian.org>
Subject: Re: [overlayfs/port] overlayfs: v13 port attempt to kernel 3.5
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:38:18 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8326.1345459098@jrobl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+icZUU6KS_8T5uhQZw6QKDD4iLp76xphr2N9KJ6Dvj_ib_sig@mail.gmail.com>


Sedat Dilek:
> The other part to run a Linux live-system is a "Union FileSystem" -
> this part is missing (speaking of upstream).
>
> Since years AUFS seems to be the choice #1 in a lot of distros to
> workaround the problem.
> NOTE: AUFS was rejected from upstream (to say not accepted).

Exactly.
The reason was that linux rejects all union-type filesystems but
UnionMount (which is union-type mount).
Later, the development of UnionMount seems to be almost stopped. The
essential design of overlayfs is based upon UnionMount, and I have
pointed out several issues such as
- for users, the inode number may change silently. eg. copy-up.
- hardlinks may break by copy-up.
- read(2) may get an obsoleted filedata (fstat(2) for metadata too).
- fcntl(F_SETLK) may be broken by copy-up.
- unnecessary copy-up may happen, for example mmap(MAP_PRIVATE) after
  open(O_RDWR).
- Later I noticed one more thing. /proc/PID/{fd/,exe} may not work
  correctly for overlayfs ...
- etc...
They are called "unPOSIXy behavior", and unforunately many of them are
NOT seem to be addressed in recent patches either.

Also I have posted
	If the development of UnionMount is really stopped, then I'd ask people
	to consider merging aufs as well as overlayfs.
but I am not sure whether LKML people are still waiting for UnionMount
and rejecting aufs.


J. R. Okajima

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-20 10:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2012-08-17  9:18     ` [overlayfs/port] overlayfs: v13 port attempt to kernel 3.5 Sedat Dilek
2012-08-20 10:38       ` J. R. Okajima [this message]
2012-08-20 11:26         ` Sedat Dilek

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