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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Martin Wilck <mwilck@suse.de>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Frank Filz <ffilzlnx@mindspring.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5 - V2] locks: avoid thundering-herd wake-ups
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:50:58 +1000
Message-ID: <871sb7rnul.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180810002922.GA3915@fieldses.org>

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On Thu, Aug 09 2018, J. Bruce Fields wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 08:12:43AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 09 2018, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
>> 
>> > I think there's also a problem with multiple tasks sharing the same
>> > lock owner.
>> >
>> > So, all locks are exclusive locks for the same range.  We have four
>> > tasks.  Tasks 1 and 4 share the same owner, the others' owners are
>> > distinct.
>> >
>> > 	- Task 1 gets a lock.
>> > 	- Task 2 gets a conflicting lock.
>> > 	- Task 3 gets another conflicting lock.  So now we the tree is
>> > 		3->2->1.
>> > 	- Task 1's lock is released.
>> > 	- Before task 2 is scheduled, task 4 acquires a new lock.
>> > 	- Task 2 waits on task 4's lock, we now have
>> > 		3->2->4.
>> >
>> > Task 3 shouldn't be waiting--the lock it's requesting has the same owner
>> > as the lock task 4 holds--but we fail to wake up task 3.
>> 
>> So task 1 and task 4 are threads in the one process - OK.
>> Tasks 2 and 3 are threads in two other processes.
>> 
>> So 2 and 3 conflict with either 1 or 4 equally - why should task 3 be
>> woken?
>> 
>> I suspect you got the numbers bit mixed up,
>
> Whoops.
>
>> but in any case, the "conflict()" function that is passed around takes
>> ownership into account when assessing if one lock conflicts with
>> another.
>
> Right, I know, but, let me try again:
>
> All locks are exclusive locks for the same range.  Only tasks 3 and 4
> share the the same owner.
>
> 	- Task 1 gets a lock.
> 	- Task 2 requests a conflicting lock, so we have    2->1.
> 	- Task 3 requests a conflicting lock, so we have 3->2->1.
> 	- Task 1 unlocks.  We wake up task 2, but it isn't scheduled yet.
> 	- Task 4 gets a new lock.
> 	- Task 2 runs, discovers the conflict, and waits.  Now we have:
> 		3->2->4.
>
> There is no conflict between the lock 3 requested and the lock 4 holds,
> but 3 is not woken up.
>
> This is another version of the first problem: there's information we
> need (the owners of the waiting locks in the tree) that we can't
> determine just from looking at the root of the tree.
>
> I'm not sure what to do about that.

You're good at this game!

So, because a locker with the same "owner" gets a free pass, you can
*never* say that any lock which conflicts with A also conflicts with B,
as a lock with the same owner as B will never conflict with B, even
though it conflicts with A.

I think there is still value in having the tree, but when a waiter is
attached under a new blocker, we need to walk the whole tree beneath the
waiter and detach/wake anything that is not blocked by the new blocker.

Thanks,
NeilBrown

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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-09  2:04 NeilBrown
2018-08-09  2:04 ` [PATCH 1/5] fs/locks: rename some lists and pointers NeilBrown
2018-08-09  2:04 ` [PATCH 2/5] fs/locks: allow a lock request to block other requests NeilBrown
2018-08-09  2:04 ` [PATCH 3/5] fs/locks: change all *_conflict() functions to return a new enum NeilBrown
2018-08-09 11:09   ` Jeff Layton
2018-08-09 13:09   ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-09 23:40     ` NeilBrown
2018-08-10  0:56       ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-09  2:04 ` [PATCH 4/5] fs/locks: split out __locks_wake_one() NeilBrown
2018-08-09  2:04 ` [PATCH 5/5] fs/locks: create a tree of dependent requests NeilBrown
2018-08-09 11:17   ` Jeff Layton
2018-08-09 23:25     ` NeilBrown
2018-08-09 14:13   ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-09 22:19     ` NeilBrown
2018-08-10  0:36       ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-09 17:32 ` [PATCH 0/5 - V2] locks: avoid thundering-herd wake-ups J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-09 22:12   ` NeilBrown
2018-08-10  0:29     ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-10  1:50       ` NeilBrown [this message]
2018-08-10  2:52         ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-10  3:17           ` NeilBrown
2018-08-10 15:47             ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-11 11:56               ` Jeff Layton
2018-08-11 12:35                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-11 11:51       ` Jeff Layton
2018-08-11 12:21         ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-11 13:15           ` Jeff Layton

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