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From: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:31:14 +1000
Message-ID: <874lgwpvxp.fsf@concordia.ellerman.id.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyFLzH71Tke858x0cjCiRO48vc1W9oVmVkO43rtjezqOg@mail.gmail.com>

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 7:45 AM Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Interesting. I don't see anything as high as 18%, it's more spread out:
>>
>>      7.81%  context_switch  [kernel.kallsyms]  [k] cgroup_rstat_updated
>
> Oh, see that's the difference.
>
> You're running in a non-root cgroup, I think.

I'm not much of a cgroup expert, but yeah I think so:

  # cat /proc/self/cgroup 
  7:cpuset:/
  6:cpu,cpuacct:/user.slice
  5:memory:/user.slice
  ...


I guess I need to boot with init=/bin/sh.

> That also means that your scheduler overhead has way more spinlocks,
> and in particular, you have that
>
>         raw_spinlock_t *cpu_lock = per_cpu_ptr(&cgroup_rstat_cpu_lock, cpu);
>         ..
>         raw_spin_lock_irqsave(cpu_lock, flags);
>
> there too.
>
> So you have at least twice the spinlocks that my case had, and yes,
> the costs are way more spread out because your case has all that
> cgroup accounting too.

Yeah OK. And our locks are known to be more expensive generally, so that
and the cgroups seems like it accounts for most of the difference vs
x86.

> That said, I don't understand the powerpc memory ordering. I thought
> the rules were "isync on lock, lwsync on unlock".
>
> That's what the AIX docs imply, at least.
>
> In particular, I find:
>
>   "isync is not a memory barrier instruction, but the
> load-compare-conditional branch-isync sequence can provide this
> ordering property"
>
> so why are you doing "sync/lwsync", when it sounds like "isync/lwsync"
> (for lock/unlock) is the right thing and would already give memory
> barrier semantics?

I think everyone else in the thread answered this already, and better
than I could.

Our options are sync/lwsync or lwsync/sync. I've been testing
lwsync/sync, because then we could also remove the conditional sync we
have in unlock (when there were IO accesses inside the lock).

These days you can download the ISA [PDF], with no registration or
anything required, here's a direct link:

  https://ibm.ent.box.com/index.php?rm=box_download_shared_file&shared_name=1hzcwkwf8rbju5h9iyf44wm94amnlcrv&file_id=f_253346319281

That has some docs on locking in Book3 appendix B.2 (page 915). It
doesn't really have that much detail, but it does talk a bit about using
lwsync vs isync.

cheers

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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-09 20:01 Alan Stern
2018-07-09 21:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-10 13:57   ` Alan Stern
2018-07-10 16:25     ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1807101416390.1449-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2018-07-10 19:58         ` [PATCH v3] " Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-10 20:24           ` Alan Stern
2018-07-10 20:31             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11  9:43         ` Will Deacon
2018-07-11 15:42           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 16:17             ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 18:03               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 16:34           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 18:10             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-10  9:38 ` [PATCH v2] " Andrea Parri
2018-07-10 14:48   ` Alan Stern
2018-07-10 15:24     ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-10 15:34       ` Alan Stern
2018-07-10 23:14         ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11  9:43   ` Will Deacon
2018-07-11 12:34     ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 12:54       ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 15:57       ` Will Deacon
2018-07-11 16:28         ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 17:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 17:50           ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-12  8:34             ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12  9:29             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12  7:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12  9:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12  9:45           ` Will Deacon
2018-07-13  2:17             ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-12 11:52         ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 12:01           ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 12:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 13:48           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 16:19             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12 17:04             ` Alan Stern
2018-07-12 17:14               ` Will Deacon
2018-07-12 17:28               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12 18:05                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 18:10                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-12 19:52                     ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 20:24                       ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-13  2:05                     ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-13  4:03                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-13  9:07                       ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-13  9:35                         ` Will Deacon
2018-07-13 17:16                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-13 19:06                             ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-14  1:51                               ` Alan Stern
2018-07-14  2:58                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-16  2:31                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-13 11:08                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-13 13:15                       ` Michael Ellerman
2018-07-13 16:42                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-13 19:56                           ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-16 14:40                           ` Michael Ellerman
2018-07-16 19:01                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-16 19:30                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 14:45                               ` Michael Ellerman
2018-07-17 16:19                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 18:33                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-17 18:42                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-17 19:40                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-17 19:47                                       ` Alan Stern
2018-07-17 18:44                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 18:49                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 19:42                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-17 19:37                                       ` Alan Stern
2018-07-17 20:13                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 19:38                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-17 19:40                                     ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-17 19:52                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-18 12:31                                   ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2018-07-18 13:16                             ` Michael Ellerman
2018-07-12 17:52               ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 20:43                 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-12 21:13                   ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 21:23                     ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 18:33               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 17:45             ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-10 16:56 ` Daniel Lustig
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1807101315140.1449-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2018-07-10 23:31     ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 14:19       ` Alan Stern

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