From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74310C2BC61 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1671D2082B for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:13:54 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 1671D2082B Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=brown.name Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728027AbeJ2F7m (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Oct 2018 01:59:42 -0400 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:40498 "EHLO mx1.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727631AbeJ2F7l (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Oct 2018 01:59:41 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay1.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE152ACC1; Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:13:49 +0000 (UTC) From: NeilBrown To: Jiri Kosina , Tim.Bird@sony.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:13:36 +1100 Cc: viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, visionsofalice@redchan.it, linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org, rms@gnu.org, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, mishi@linux.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, bruce@perens.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, esr@thyrsus.com, moglen@columbia.edu, bkuhn@sfconservancy.org, editor@lwn.net Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] The linux devs can rescind their license grant. In-Reply-To: References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <185b786a2bd6e8d527dca161dc42e4f1@redchan.it> <20181025081911.GB11343@kroah.com> <20181025193901.GD26403@thyrsus.com> <20181025204718.GB25649@thunk.org> <20181025214123.GA2448@thyrsus.com> <20181025230656.GJ32577@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <75eb4a46c8a2c1d4a927760fd1f2009d@redchan.it> <20181027073241.GM32577@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> Message-ID: <875zxl4vwf.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 28 2018, Jiri Kosina wrote: > On Sat, 27 Oct 2018, Tim.Bird@sony.com wrote: > >> Al, >> >> Can you please, even in the face of comments you find irritating, keep=20 >> your responses more civil? Calling someone a "wankstain" is=20 >> unprofessional > > Tim, > > to be completely honest, communicating anonymously doesn't really match m= y=20 > "this is highly professional" standards either, so I don't think we shoul= d=20 > be losing too much sleep over this particular e-mail exchange. I agree with Tim here. It doesn't really matter who (or what) you are talking to, what matters is the context in which you are talking. We seem to be trying to raise the standard of communication within the kernel community. That means all communication. > > CoC explicitly requires us to be reasonably nice to the human being on th= e=20 > other end of the wire, which I whole-heartedly believe is a very noble an= d=20 > nice goal. But you really have to know at least a little bit who's there= =20 > on the other end. Otherwise failure to communicate might be sort of=20 > inevitable. As you know, I think the CoC is a mistake and should be removed. But seeing you to play that game: 1/ code-of-conduct.rst doesn't contain the word "human" at all 2/ code-of-conduect-interpretation.rst explicitly says We know everyone is human which could be read as implying that you need to treat the other person as human, even if they don't act that way. Do you *really* want to use the CoC to support your position? 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