From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9D3C46475 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DD9207DD for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:18:30 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 02DD9207DD Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=brown.name Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727421AbeJZGwz (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Oct 2018 02:52:55 -0400 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:34492 "EHLO mx1.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726348AbeJZGwz (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Oct 2018 02:52:55 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1A6B0A0; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:18:26 +0000 (UTC) From: NeilBrown To: Rainer Fiebig , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:18:18 +1100 Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Thomas Gleixner , Olof Johansson , Chris Mason , Mishi Choudhary Subject: Re: Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document In-Reply-To: <2341648.lzjnUGKk1z@siriux> References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <2341648.lzjnUGKk1z@siriux> Message-ID: <877ei56579.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 25 2018, Rainer Fiebig wrote: > Am Montag, 22. Oktober 2018, 08:20:11 schrieb NeilBrown: >> On Sat, Oct 20 2018, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >> > Hi all, >> >=20 >> > As everyone knows by now, we added a new Code of Conduct to the kernel >> > tree a few weeks ago. >>=20 >> I wanted to stay detached from all this, but as remaining (publicly) >> silent might be seen (publicly) as acquiescing, I hereby declare that: >> I reject, as illegitimate, this Code and the process by >> which it is being "developed". >>=20 >> It is clear from the surrounding discussions that this is well outside o= ur >> core competencies. It will be flawed, it isn't what we need. >>=20 >> I call on any other community members who reject this process to say so, >> not to remain silent. >> #Iobject >>=20 >> We don't need a "Code of Conduct" nearly as much as we need "Leadership >> in conduct". Without the leadership, any code looks like a joke. >>=20 > [...] >=20=20 >> I call on you, Greg: >> - to abandon this divisive attempt to impose a "Code of Conduct" >> - to revert 8a104f8b5867c68 > > Yes but this seems increasingly unlikely now. However, there may be an=20 > alternative. > > Jugding by the release-message for 4.19, some people here are fans of=20 > Monty Python's. No wonder - as those guys are famous for being unrelentin= g=20 > supporters of Political Correctness. > > So one would be on the safe side if one just supplemented "Our Pledge"=20 > with this: > > "Everybody has the right to be offended." > > I think, John Cleese would also welcome this.[1] > > What do you think? I do think that giving certain rights to the community is a good thing: =2D the right to tell anyone that their speech is hurtful =2D the right to (patch) review by a third party. I don't think the right to be offended really needs to be given. Yes, I know it is a joke and I do like Monty Python. I just don't think it is particular helpful in this context. Maybe I missed something. For myself, I relinquish my right to be offended. I just don't do it. It doesn't seem to be worth the effort. Thanks, NeilBrown > > Regards! > > > Rainer Fiebig > > > > [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427218/Political-correctnes= s-killing-comedy-says-John-Cleese-Monty-Python-star-believes-fear-offending= -certain-groups-lead-1984-style-society-free-expression-not-allowed.html > > > --=20 > The truth always turns out to be simpler than you thought. > Richard Feynman --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEG8Yp69OQ2HB7X0l6Oeye3VZigbkFAlvSQSsACgkQOeye3VZi gbkGZw/+Kb+EyDzG/rh08Umewq+93IV7ewkPFBvgyZBER+YtHB4q3JreNPYM/R68 nbKd0QjJlVPZvQY9x7Wqh3mfWYNqeu+QH5s9IYXtg8NVilcUqZfFknsoO+opRZMW 7jeD4GkMFGpudXMkxujqKweB/d1m4ZjyTH0FSRfrssDs6WZpu5oRlRFaujU/8fwM rqMbi97Vbw9tbQyh27JWh31obfcrh6Ma7kXZ3jaj54g7pJcALeS5r09ZW4EqZHJs 1weVtysv/fu8GthnmH9/aOWA3kkSUCy/RDcN4xC2MIi4anY4U0WBtPsb1iXzOdLV +IRMY0It3gUS8Ak/rPDYgjJvyxP9tjmelWAEFk6NcQ6LfzCLMHYQU6xyf5aO+zid VbX+LFrffmnVv7PdUOHujStmyGMWKSXE22c/1GNfk+yFOVOe+CQLpQaNFEQOB79Y qZC9wt/mVBmsicRiloOCrBUlGInavvSk4gjimO2JXI2nCnIrEYmXAJrg85G6j1vF 70KlEa4FnTEEcHVnRR3lTAESWwpzOh9+L3kU1fqWpwf6+dNsp+A6iucB/+byQMQr ioSNQolgL6bG61b3AlnXOhFhXhEbuftQig7OBS7LchkURHS7/HcivO7KTm9gN2JT CY9/BQ/nhHL5uJnY7pl6zM/1HSHw6YEwyhFIQRrZ3QabcWRF9oE= =NK6q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--