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From: "Huang\, Ying" <>
To: Waiman Long <>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <>,
	Matthew Wilcox <>, "Chen\,
	Rong A" <>, "lkp\" <>,
	LKML <>,
	Andi Kleen <>,
	Dave Hansen <>,
	Tim C Chen <>
Subject: Re: [LKP] [page cache] eb797a8ee0: vm-scalability.throughput -16.5% regression
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:26:06 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <> (Waiman Long's message of "Wed, 27 Feb 2019 21:37:41 -0500")

Waiman Long <> writes:

> On 02/27/2019 08:18 PM, Huang, Ying wrote:
>> Waiman Long <> writes:
>>> On 02/26/2019 12:30 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 12:17 AM Huang, Ying <> wrote:
>>>>> As for fixing.  Should we care about the cache line alignment of struct
>>>>> inode?  Or its size is considered more important because there may be a
>>>>> huge number of struct inode in the system?
>>>> Thanks for the great analysis.
>>>> I suspect we _would_ like to make sure inodes are as small as
>>>> possible, since they are everywhere. Also, they are usually embedded
>>>> in other structures (ie "struct inode" is embedded into "struct
>>>> ext4_inode_info"), and unless we force alignment (and thus possibly
>>>> lots of padding), the actual alignment of 'struct inode' will vary
>>>> depending on filesystem.
>>>> So I would suggest we *not* do cacheline alignment, because it will
>>>> result in random padding.
>>>> But it sounds like maybe the solution is to make sure that the
>>>> different fields of the inode can and should be packed differently?
>>>> So one thing to look at is to see what fields in 'struct inode' might
>>>> be best moved together, to minimize cache accesses.
>>>> And in particular, if this is *only* an issue of "struct
>>>> rw_semaphore", maybe we should look at the layout of *that*. In
>>>> particular, I'm getting the feeling that we should put the "owner"
>>>> field right next to the "count" field, because the normal
>>>> non-contended path only touches those two fields.
>>> That is true. Putting the two next to each other reduces the chance of
>>> needing to touch 2 cachelines to acquire a rwsem.
>>>> Right now those two fields are pretty far from each other in 'struct
>>>> rw_semaphore', which then makes the "oops they got allocated in
>>>> different cachelines" much more likely.
>>>> So even if 'struct inode' layout itself isn't changed, maybe just
>>>> optimizing the layout of 'struct rw_semaphore' a bit for the common
>>>> case might fix it all up.
>>>> Waiman, I didn't check if your rewrite already possibly fixes this?
>>> My current patch doesn't move the owner field, but I will add one to do
>>> it. That change alone probably won't solve the regression we see here.
>>> The optimistic spinner is spinning on the on_cpu flag of the task
>>> structure as well as the rwsem->owner value (looking for change). The
>>> lock holder only need to touch the count/owner values once at unlock.
>>> However, if other hot data variables are in the same cacheline as
>>> rwsem->owner, we will have cacaheline bouncing problem. So we need to
>>> pad some rarely touched variables right before the rwsem in order to
>>> reduce the chance of false cacheline sharing.
>> Yes. And if my understanding were correct, if the rwsem is locked, the
>> new rw_sem users (which calls down_write()) will write rwsem->count and
>> some other fields of rwsem.  This will cause cache ping-pong between
>> lock holder and the new users too if the memory accessed by lock holder
>> shares the same cache line with rwsem->count, thus hurt the system
>> performance.  For the regression reported, the rwsem holder will change
>> address_space->i_mmap, if I put i_mmap and rwsem->count in the same
>> cache line and rwsem->owner in a different cache line, the performance
>> can improve ~8.3%.  While if I put i_mmap in one cache line and all
>> fields of rwsem in another different cache line, the performance can
>> improve ~12.9% (in another machine, where the regression is ~14%).
> So it is better to have i_mmap and the rwsem in separate cachelines. Right?


>> So I think in the heavily contended situation, we should put the fields
>> accessed by rwsem holder in a different cache line of rwsem.  But in
>> un-contended situation, we should put the fields accessed in rwsem
>> holder and rwsem in the same cache line to reduce the cache footprint.
>> The requirement of un-contended and heavily contended situation is
>> contradicted.
> Write to the rwsem's count mostly happens at lock and unlock times. It
> is the constant spinning on owner by the optimistic waiter that is
> likely to cause the most problem when its cacheline is shared with
> another piece of data outside of the rwsem that is rewritten to fairly
> frequently. Perhaps moving i_mmap further away from i_mmap_rwsem may help.

Yes.  I think rwsem->owner is more important too.  rwsem->count has
measurable effect too.  And yes, moving i_mmap further away should help
rwsem->count sharing too.

Best Regards,
Huang, Ying

> Cheers,
> Longman

      reply	other threads:[~2019-02-28  3:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-14  9:22 [LKP] [page cache] eb797a8ee0: vm-scalability.throughput -16.5% regression kernel test robot
2018-11-14 14:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-02-26  8:17   ` Huang, Ying
2019-02-26 17:30     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-26 20:29       ` Waiman Long
2019-02-28  1:18         ` Huang, Ying
2019-02-28  1:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-02  8:26             ` Huang, Ying
2019-02-28  2:37           ` Waiman Long
2019-02-28  3:26             ` Huang, Ying [this message]

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