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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: "Jürg Billeter" <j@bitron.ch>,
	"Christian Brauner" <christian@brauner.io>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	luto@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de, serge@hallyn.com,
	jannh@google.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, oleg@redhat.com,
	cyphar@cyphar.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, dancol@google.com,
	timmurray@google.com, linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	keescook@chromium.org, tglx@linutronix.de, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] signal: add taskfd_send_signal() syscall
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 08:46:57 -0600
Message-ID: <87bm5yiufy.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877egm6a7v.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> (Florian Weimer's message of "Thu, 06 Dec 2018 14:44:36 +0100")

Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com> writes:

> * Eric W. Biederman:
>
>> Floriam are you seeing a problem with this behavior or the way Christian
>> was describing it?
>
> My hope is that you could use taskfd_send_signal one day to send a
> signal to a process which you *known* (based on how you've written your
> application) should be running and not in a zombie state, and get back
> an error if it has exited.
>
> If you get this error, only then you wait on the process, using the file
> descriptor you have, and run some recovery code.
>
> Wouldn't that be a reasonable approach once we've got task descriptors?

Getting an error back if the target was a zombie does seem reasonable,
as in principle it is an easy thing to notice, and post zombie once the
process has been reaped we definitely get an error back.

I also agree that it sounds like an extension, as changing the default
would violate the princile of least surprise.

Eric

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Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-06 12:18 Christian Brauner
2018-12-06 12:30 ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-06 12:45   ` Jürg Billeter
2018-12-06 13:12     ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-06 13:18       ` Jürg Billeter
2018-12-06 13:20         ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-06 13:40       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-12-06 13:44         ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-06 14:27           ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-12-06 14:46           ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2018-12-06 12:53   ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-06 13:17     ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-06 15:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-12-06 16:17   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-12-06 17:24     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-12-06 17:41       ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-06 18:30         ` Kees Cook
2018-12-06 22:27           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-12-06 17:14   ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-06 19:17     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-12-06 19:30       ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-06 20:29         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-12-06 20:37           ` Daniel Colascione
2018-12-06 22:22             ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-12-06 22:43               ` Daniel Colascione
2018-12-06 21:31           ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-06 21:46             ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-12-06 22:01               ` Daniel Colascione
2018-12-06 22:39               ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-06 23:17                 ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-07  0:31                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-12-07  0:34                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-12-07  0:59                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-12-07  1:39                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-12-07  1:54                           ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-07 16:49                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-12-07 16:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-12-08 21:46 ` kbuild test robot

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