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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@ezchip.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Kirill Tkhai <tkhai@yandex.ru>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] task: RCU protect tasks on the runqueue
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 11:44:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k1apqqgk.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190903074718.GT2386@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (Peter Zijlstra's message of "Tue, 3 Sep 2019 09:47:18 +0200")

Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:

> On Tue, Sep 03, 2019 at 09:41:17AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 02, 2019 at 11:52:01PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> 
>> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/core.c b/kernel/sched/core.c
>> > index 2b037f195473..802958407369 100644
>> > --- a/kernel/sched/core.c
>> > +++ b/kernel/sched/core.c
>> 
>> > @@ -3857,7 +3857,7 @@ static void __sched notrace __schedule(bool preempt)
>> >  
>> >  	if (likely(prev != next)) {
>> >  		rq->nr_switches++;
>> > -		rq->curr = next;
>> > +		rcu_assign_pointer(rq->curr, next);
>> >  		/*
>> >  		 * The membarrier system call requires each architecture
>> >  		 * to have a full memory barrier after updating
>> 
>> This one is sad; it puts a (potentially) expensive barrier in here. And
>> I'm not sure I can explain the need for it. That is, we've not changed
>> @next before this and don't need to 'publish' it as such.
>> 
>> Can we use RCU_INIT_POINTER() or simply WRITE_ONCE(), here?
>
> That is, I'm thinking we qualify for point 3 (both a and b) of
> RCU_INIT_POINTER().

I don't think point (b) is a concern on any widely visible architecture.
After taking a quick skim through the users it does appear to me that
we almost definitely have changes to the task_struct since the last time
another cpu say that structure (3 a) and that we have cases where
reading stale values in the task_struct will result in incorrect
operation of the code.

The concern of point (b) is the old alpha caching case where you could
dereference a pointer and get a stale copy of the data structure.  This
is a concern when an you are following the pointer from another cpu.

From my quick skim the cases I can see where point (b) might apply are
in fair.c:task_numa_compare lots of fields in task_struct are read.  It
looks like reading a stale (old/wrong) value of cur->numa_group could be
very inexplicable and weird.  Similarly in the membarrier code reading a
pre-exec version of cur->mm could give completely inexplicable results.
Finally in rcuwait_wake_up reading a stale version of the process
cur->state could cause incorrect or missed wake ups in wake_up_process.


There might already be enough barriers in the scheduler that the barrier
in rcu_update_pointer is redundant.  The comment about membarrier at
least suggests that for processes that return to userspace we have a
full memory barrier.

So with a big fat comment explaining why it is safe we could potentially
use RCU_INIT_POINTER.  I currently don't see where the appropriate
barriers are so I can not write that comment or with a clear conscious
write the code to use RCU_INIT_POINTER instead of rcu_assign_pointer.

Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-03 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-30 14:08 [BUG] Use of probe_kernel_address() in task_rcu_dereference() without checking return value Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-08-30 15:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-30 15:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 15:40   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-08-30 15:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 15:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 16:09     ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-30 16:21       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 16:44         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-30 16:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-30 19:36         ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-02 13:40           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-02 13:53             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-02 14:44               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-02 16:20                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-02 17:04             ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-02 17:34               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-03  4:50                 ` [PATCH 0/3] task: Making tasks on the runqueue rcu protected Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03  4:51                   ` [PATCH 1/3] task: Add a count of task rcu users Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-04 14:36                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-04 14:44                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-04 15:32                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-04 16:33                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-04 18:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-05 14:59                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-03  4:52                   ` [PATCH 2/3] task: RCU protect tasks on the runqueue Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03  7:41                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-03  7:47                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-03 16:44                         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2019-09-03 17:08                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-03 18:13                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03 19:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-03 20:06                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-03 21:32                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-05 20:02                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-05 20:55                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-06  7:07                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-09 12:22                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-25  7:36                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-27  8:10                                   ` [tip: sched/urgent] tasks, sched/core: RCUify the assignment of rq->curr tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03 19:42                               ` [PATCH 2/3] task: RCU protect tasks on the runqueue Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-14 12:31                           ` [PATCH v2 1/4] task: Add a count of task rcu users Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:31                           ` [PATCH v2 2/4] task: Ensure tasks are available for a grace period after leaving the runqueue Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:32                           ` [PATCH v2 3/4] task: With a grace period after finish_task_switch, remove unnecessary code Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-04 14:22                     ` [PATCH 2/3] task: RCU protect tasks on the runqueue Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-03  4:52                   ` [PATCH 3/3] task: Clean house now that tasks on the runqueue are rcu protected Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-03  9:45                     ` kbuild test robot
2019-09-03 13:06                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-03 13:58                   ` [PATCH 0/3] task: Making tasks on the runqueue " Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-03 15:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-03 19:46                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                   ` <87muf7f4bf.fsf_-_@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
2019-09-14 12:33                     ` [PATCH v2 1/4] task: Add a count of task rcu users Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 13:54                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-27  8:10                       ` [tip: sched/urgent] tasks: Add a count of task RCU users tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:33                     ` [PATCH v2 2/4] task: Ensure tasks are available for a grace period after leaving the runqueue Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 14:07                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-15 14:09                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-27  8:10                       ` [tip: sched/urgent] tasks, sched/core: " tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:34                     ` [PATCH v2 3/4] task: With a grace period after finish_task_switch, remove unnecessary code Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 14:32                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-15 17:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-15 18:47                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-27  8:10                       ` [tip: sched/urgent] tasks, sched/core: With a grace period after finish_task_switch(), " tip-bot2 for Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-14 12:35                     ` [PATCH v2 4/4] task: RCUify the assignment of rq->curr Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 14:41                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-15 17:59                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 18:25                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-15 18:48                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-09-20 23:02                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-26  1:49                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-26 12:42                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-09-14 17:43                     ` [PATCH v2 0/4] task: Making tasks on the runqueue rcu protected Linus Torvalds
2019-09-17 17:38                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-09-25  7:51                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-26  1:11                           ` Eric W. Biederman

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