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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] pidfd: Stop taking cred_guard_mutex
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:57:35 -0500
Message-ID: <87lfo8rkqo.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez1LjW1xAGe-5tNtstCWxG2bkiHaQUMOcJNjx=z-2Wc2Jw@mail.gmail.com> (Jann Horn's message of "Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:10:59 +0100")

Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> writes:

> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:00 PM Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 8:29 PM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>> > Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> writes:
>> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 7:54 PM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>> > >> During exec some file descriptors are closed and the files struct is
>> > >> unshared.  But all of that can happen at other times and it has the
>> > >> same protections during exec as at ordinary times.  So stop taking the
>> > >> cred_guard_mutex as it is useless.
>> > >>
>> > >> Furthermore he cred_guard_mutex is a bad idea because it is deadlock
>> > >> prone, as it is held in serveral while waiting possibly indefinitely
>> > >> for userspace to do something.
> [...]
>> > > If you make this change, then if this races with execution of a setuid
>> > > program that afterwards e.g. opens a unix domain socket, an attacker
>> > > will be able to steal that socket and inject messages into
>> > > communication with things like DBus. procfs currently has the same
>> > > race, and that still needs to be fixed, but at least procfs doesn't
>> > > let you open things like sockets because they don't have a working
>> > > ->open handler, and it enforces the normal permission check for
>> > > opening files.
>> >
>> > It isn't only exec that can change credentials.  Do we need a lock for
>> > changing credentials?
> [...]
>> > If we need a lock around credential change let's design and build that.
>> > Having a mismatch between what a lock is designed to do, and what
>> > people use it for can only result in other bugs as people get confused.
>>
>> Hmm... what benefits do we get from making it a separate lock? I guess
>> it would allow us to make it a per-task lock instead of a
>> signal_struct-wide one? That might be helpful...
>
> But actually, isn't the core purpose of the cred_guard_mutex to guard
> against concurrent credential changes anyway? That's what almost
> everyone uses it for, and it's in the name...

Having been through all of the users nope.

Maybe someone tried to repurpose for that.  I haven't traced through
when it went the it was renamed from cred_exec_mutex to
cred_guard_mutex.

The original purpose was to make make exec and ptrace deadlock.  But it
was seen as being there to allow safely calculating the new credentials
before the point of now return.  Because if a process is ptraced or not
affects the new credential calculations.  Unfortunately offering that
guarantee fundamentally leads to deadlock.

So ptrace_attach and seccomp use the cred_guard_mutex to guarantee
a deadlock.

The common use is to take cred_guard_mutex to guard the window when
credentials and process details are out of sync in exec.  But there
is at least do_io_accounting that seems to have the same justification
for holding __pidfd_fget.

With effort I suspect we can replace exec_change_mutex with task_lock.
When we are guaranteed to be single threaded placing exec_change_mutex
in signal_struct doesn't really help us (except maybe in some races?).

The deep problem is no one really understands cred_guard_mutex so it is
a mess.  Code with poorly defined semantics is always wrong somewhere
for someone.  Which is part of why I am attacking this and having the
conversations to make certain I understand what is going on.

I see your point about commit_creds making a process undumpable.  So in
practice it really is only exec that changes creds in a way that
ptrace_may_access will allow the process to be inspected.

So I guess for now the practical non-regressing course is to change
everything to my exec_change_mutex, removing the deadlock.  Then we
figure out how to cleanly deal with the races inspecting a process with
changing credentials has.

Eric

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Thread overview: 203+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-01 11:27 [PATCH] exec: Fix a deadlock in ptrace Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-01 15:13 ` Aleksa Sarai
2020-03-01 15:58   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-01 17:46     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-01 18:20       ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-01 17:24   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-01 18:21 ` Jann Horn
2020-03-01 18:52   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-01 19:00     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-01 20:00     ` Jann Horn
2020-03-01 20:34       ` [PATCHv2] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02  6:38         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-02 15:43           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 15:57             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-02 16:02               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 16:17                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-02 16:43                   ` Jann Horn
2020-03-02 17:01                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 17:37                       ` Jann Horn
2020-03-02 17:42                         ` christian
2020-03-02 18:08                           ` Jann Horn
2020-03-02 20:10                             ` [PATCHv3] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 20:28                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 17:13                   ` [PATCHv2] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 21:49                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-02 22:00                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 22:18                       ` [PATCHv4] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03  2:26                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-03  4:54                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03  5:29                             ` Kees Cook
2020-03-03  8:08                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03  8:34                                 ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03  8:43                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-04 15:30                                 ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03  8:58                           ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 10:34                             ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 11:23                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 14:20                                 ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 13:02                             ` [PATCHv5] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 15:18                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-03 16:48                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 17:01                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 17:20                                     ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 20:08                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-04 14:37                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-04 16:33                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-04 21:49                                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-04 21:56                                         ` [PATCHv6] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-05 18:36                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-05 21:14                                             ` [PATCH 0/2] Infrastructure to allow fixing exec deadlocks Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 21:15                                               ` [PATCH 1/2] exec: Properly mark the point of no return Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 22:34                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06  5:19                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 22:56                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06  5:09                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-06 16:26                                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06 17:16                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 21:16                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] exec: Add a exec_update_mutex to replace cred_guard_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 21:51                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06  5:17                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-06 11:46                                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06 21:18                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-06 19:16                                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06 21:58                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-06 22:29                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-07  1:03                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-08 12:58                                                             ` [PATCH] exec: make de_thread alloc new signal struct earlier Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-08 18:12                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 22:31                                               ` [PATCH 0/2] Infrastructure to allow fixing exec deadlocks Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06  5:06                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-08 21:34                                               ` [PATCH 0/5] " Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-08 21:35                                                 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] exec: Only compute current once in flush_old_exec Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 13:56                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 17:34                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 17:56                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:27                                                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 20:17                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:12                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-08 21:36                                                 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] exec: Factor unshare_sighand out of de_thread and call it separately Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:28                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 20:29                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 20:34                                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 20:57                                                       ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:21                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-08 21:36                                                 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] exec: Move cleanup of posix timers on exec out of de_thread Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:30                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:59                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-09 20:06                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 20:17                                                       ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-09 20:48                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10  8:55                                                           ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-10 18:52                                                             ` [PATCH] pidfd: Stop taking cred_guard_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 19:15                                                               ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-10 19:16                                                               ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 19:27                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:00                                                                   ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 20:10                                                                     ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 20:22                                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11  6:11                                                                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 14:56                                                                           ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 20:57                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2020-03-10 21:29                                                                         ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-11 18:49                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-14  9:12                                                                           ` [PATCH] pidfd: Use new infrastructure to fix deadlocks in execve Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 20:16                                                           ` [PATCH v2 3/5] exec: Move cleanup of posix timers on exec out of de_thread Kees Cook
2020-03-10 20:31                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 20:57                                                   ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 21:05                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 21:22                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-08 21:38                                                 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] exec: Move exec_mmap right after de_thread in flush_old_exec Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:34                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:45                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:52                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:58                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 20:03                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 20:35                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:44                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:20                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:47                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:09                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-08 21:38                                                 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] exec: Add a exec_update_mutex to replace cred_guard_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 13:45                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 17:40                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 18:01                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 18:10                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 18:24                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 18:36                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 18:47                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:02                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:24                                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:35                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:39                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 13:43                                                                       ` [PATCH 0/4] Use new infrastructure to fix deadlocks in execve Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 15:35                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 17:44                                                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] Use new infrastructure in more simple cases Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 17:45                                                                           ` [PATCH 1/4] kernel/kcmp.c: Use new infrastructure to fix deadlocks in execve Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 19:01                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 19:42                                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 17:45                                                                           ` [PATCH 2/4] proc: " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 18:59                                                                             ` Kees Cook
2020-03-11 19:10                                                                             ` Kees Cook
2020-03-11 19:38                                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 17:45                                                                           ` [PATCH 3/4] proc: io_accounting: " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 19:06                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:19                                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 21:25                                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-11 19:08                                                                             ` Kees Cook
2020-03-11 19:48                                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 19:48                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 17:45                                                                           ` [PATCH 4/4] perf: " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 13:43                                                                       ` [PATCH 1/4] exec: Fix a deadlock in ptrace Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 15:13                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 15:17                                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 21:00                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 13:44                                                                       ` [PATCH 2/4] selftests/ptrace: add test cases for dead-locks Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 21:36                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 22:41                                                                         ` Dmitry V. Levin
2020-03-10 13:44                                                                       ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: docs: Fix a comment in process_vm_rw_core Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 18:53                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 13:44                                                                       ` [PATCH 4/4] kernel: doc: remove outdated comment cred.c Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 18:54                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-09 19:33                                                                   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] exec: Add a exec_update_mutex to replace cred_guard_mutex Dmitry V. Levin
2020-03-09 19:42                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:55                                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:02                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 21:21                                                   ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 21:30                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 23:21                                                       ` Jann Horn
2020-03-11  0:15                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-11  6:33                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 16:29                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-11 13:18                                                   ` Qian Cai
2020-03-12 10:27                                                   ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-12 12:24                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-12 13:45                                                       ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-12 14:38                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-12 15:23                                                           ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-13  1:05                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-13  9:13                                                             ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-14  9:11                                                               ` [PATCH v3 " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-17  8:56                                                                 ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-17 21:53                                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-18 12:22                                                                     ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-18 20:06                                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-19  7:13                                                                         ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-19  7:19                                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-19  9:11                                                                           ` [PATCH v4 3/5] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-19  9:13                                                                             ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-19  9:19                                                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-19  9:20                                                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-21 22:53                                                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14  9:12                                                               ` [PATCH 0/2] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14  9:12                                                               ` [PATCH 1/2] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14  9:13                                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] doc: Update documentation of ->exec_*_mutex Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14  9:57                                                               ` [PATCH v2 5/5] exec: Add a exec_update_mutex to replace cred_guard_mutex Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14 10:02                                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-17  8:58                                                                   ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-09 13:58                                                 ` [PATCH 0/5] Infrastructure to allow fixing exec deadlocks Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 16:50                                 ` [PATCHv5] exec: Fix a deadlock in ptrace Christian Brauner
2020-03-02 12:28         ` [PATCHv2] " Oleg Nesterov
2020-03-02 15:56           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02  7:47       ` [PATCH] " Christian Brauner
2020-03-02  7:48         ` Christian Brauner

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