From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
Aditya Kali <adityakali@google.com>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
"linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv1 7/8] cgroup: cgroup namespace setns support
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:42:26 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lhoayo59.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVkMtsnEh57jFZrdx5vHbz97BdO7OuupT+xVNnWpJjxng@mail.gmail.com> (Andy Lutomirski's message of "Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:03:46 -0700")
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> writes:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Eric W. Biederman
> <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>> Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Eric W.Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On October 19, 2014 1:26:29 PM CDT, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Is the idea
>>>>>that you want a privileged user wrt a cgroupns's userns to be able to
>>>>>use this? If so:
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, that current_cred() thing is bogus. (Actually, this is probably
>>>>>exploitable right now if any cgroup.procs inode anywhere on the system
>>>>>lets non-root write.) (Can we have some kernel debugging option that
>>>>>makes any use of current_cred() in write(2) warn?)
>>>>>
>>>>>We really need a weaker version of may_ptrace for this kind of stuff.
>>>>>Maybe the existing may_ptrace stuff is okay, actually. But this is
>>>>>completely missing group checks, cap checks, capabilities wrt the
>>>>>userns, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, I think that, if this version of the patchset allows non-init
>>>>>userns to unshare cgroupns, then the issue of what permission is
>>>>>needed to lock the cgroup hierarchy like that needs to be addressed,
>>>>>because unshare(CLONE_NEWUSER|CLONE_NEWCGROUP) will effectively pin
>>>>>the calling task with no permission required. Bolting on a fix later
>>>>>will be a mess.
>>>>
>>>> I imagine the pinning would be like the userns.
>>>>
>>>> Ah but there is a potentially serious issue with the pinning.
>>>> With pinning we can make it impossible for root to move us to a different cgroup.
>>>>
>>>> I am not certain how serious that is but it bears thinking about.
>>>> If we don't implement pinning we should be able to implent everything with just filesystem mount options, and no new namespace required.
>>>>
>>>> Sigh.
>>>>
>>>> I am too tired tonight to see the end game in this.
>>>
>>> Possible solution:
>>>
>>> Ditch the pinning. That is, if you're outside a cgroupns (or you have
>>> a non-ns-confined cgroupfs mounted), then you can move a task in a
>>> cgroupns outside of its root cgroup. If you do this, then the task
>>> thinks its cgroup is something like "../foo" or "../../foo".
>>
>> Of the possible solutions that seems attractive to me, simply because
>> we sometimes want to allow clever things to occur.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a reason (beyond pretty printing) why we need
>> cgroupns to restrict the subset of cgroups processes can be in?
>>
>> I would expect permissions on the cgroup directories themselves, and
>> limited visiblilty would be (in general) to achieve the desired
>> visiblity.
>
> This makes the security impact of cgroupns very easy to understand,
> right? Because there really won't be any -- cgroupns only affects
> reads from /proc and what cgroupfs shows, but it doesn't change any
> actual cgroups, nor does it affect any cgroup *changes*.
It seems like what we have described is chcgrouproot aka chroot for
cgroups. At which point I think there are potentially similar security
issues as for chroot. Can we confuse a setuid root process if we make
it's cgroup names look different.
Of course the confusing root concern is handled by the usual namespace
security checks that are already present.
I do wonder if we think of this as chcgrouproot if there is a simpler
implementation.
>>> While we're at it, consider making setns for a cgroupns *not* change
>>> the caller's cgroup. Is there any reason it really needs to?
>>
>> setns doesn't but nsenter is going to need to change the cgroup
>> if the pinning requirement is kept. nsenenter is going to want to
>> change the cgroup if the pinning requirement is dropped.
>>
>
> It seems easy enough for nsenter to change the cgroup all by itself.
Again. I don't think anyone has suggested or implemented anything
different.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-10-21 5:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <adityakali-cgroupns>
2014-07-17 19:52 ` [PATCH 0/5] RFC: CGroup Namespaces Aditya Kali
2014-07-17 19:52 ` [PATCH 1/5] kernfs: Add API to get generate relative kernfs path Aditya Kali
2014-07-24 15:10 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-07-17 19:52 ` [PATCH 2/5] sched: new clone flag CLONE_NEWCGROUP for cgroup namespace Aditya Kali
2014-07-24 17:01 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-07-31 19:48 ` Aditya Kali
2014-08-04 23:12 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-07-17 19:52 ` [PATCH 3/5] cgroup: add function to get task's cgroup on default hierarchy Aditya Kali
2014-07-24 16:59 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-07-17 19:52 ` [PATCH 4/5] cgroup: export cgroup_get() and cgroup_put() Aditya Kali
2014-07-24 17:03 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-07-17 19:52 ` [PATCH 5/5] cgroup: introduce cgroup namespaces Aditya Kali
2014-07-17 19:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-17 20:55 ` Aditya Kali
2014-07-18 16:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-18 18:51 ` Aditya Kali
2014-07-18 18:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-21 22:11 ` Aditya Kali
2014-07-21 22:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-23 19:52 ` Aditya Kali
2014-07-18 16:00 ` [PATCH 0/5] RFC: CGroup Namespaces Serge Hallyn
2014-07-24 16:10 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-07-24 16:36 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-07-25 19:29 ` Aditya Kali
2014-07-25 20:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-29 4:51 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-07-29 15:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-29 16:06 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-13 21:23 ` [PATCHv1 0/8] " Aditya Kali
2014-10-13 21:23 ` [PATCHv1 1/8] kernfs: Add API to generate relative kernfs path Aditya Kali
2014-10-16 16:07 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-13 21:23 ` [PATCHv1 2/8] sched: new clone flag CLONE_NEWCGROUP for cgroup namespace Aditya Kali
2014-10-16 16:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-13 21:23 ` [PATCHv1 3/8] cgroup: add function to get task's cgroup on default hierarchy Aditya Kali
2014-10-16 16:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-13 21:23 ` [PATCHv1 4/8] cgroup: export cgroup_get() and cgroup_put() Aditya Kali
2014-10-16 16:14 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-13 21:23 ` [PATCHv1 5/8] cgroup: introduce cgroup namespaces Aditya Kali
2014-10-16 16:37 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-24 1:03 ` Aditya Kali
2014-10-25 3:16 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-13 21:23 ` [PATCHv1 6/8] cgroup: restrict cgroup operations within task's cgroupns Aditya Kali
2014-10-17 9:28 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-22 19:06 ` Aditya Kali
2014-10-19 4:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-13 21:23 ` [PATCHv1 7/8] cgroup: cgroup namespace setns support Aditya Kali
2014-10-16 21:12 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-16 21:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-16 21:22 ` Aditya Kali
2014-10-16 21:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-19 5:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-19 18:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-20 4:55 ` Eric W.Biederman
2014-10-21 0:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 4:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-21 5:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 5:42 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2014-10-21 5:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 18:49 ` Aditya Kali
2014-10-21 19:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 22:33 ` Aditya Kali
2014-10-21 22:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-22 0:46 ` Aditya Kali
2014-10-22 0:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-22 18:37 ` Aditya Kali
2014-10-22 18:50 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-22 19:42 ` Tejun Heo
2014-10-17 9:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-13 21:23 ` [PATCHv1 8/8] cgroup: mount cgroupns-root when inside non-init cgroupns Aditya Kali
2014-10-17 12:19 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-10-14 22:42 ` [PATCHv1 0/8] CGroup Namespaces Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-14 23:33 ` Aditya Kali
2014-10-19 4:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-22 18:10 ` Vincent Batts
2014-10-31 19:18 ` [PATCHv2 0/7] " Aditya Kali
2014-10-31 19:18 ` [PATCHv2 1/7] kernfs: Add API to generate relative kernfs path Aditya Kali
2014-10-31 19:18 ` [PATCHv2 2/7] sched: new clone flag CLONE_NEWCGROUP for cgroup namespace Aditya Kali
2014-10-31 19:18 ` [PATCHv2 3/7] cgroup: add function to get task's cgroup on default hierarchy Aditya Kali
2014-10-31 19:18 ` [PATCHv2 4/7] cgroup: export cgroup_get() and cgroup_put() Aditya Kali
2014-10-31 19:18 ` [PATCHv2 5/7] cgroup: introduce cgroup namespaces Aditya Kali
2014-11-01 0:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-01 0:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-11-03 23:42 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-03 23:40 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-04 1:56 ` Aditya Kali
2014-10-31 19:19 ` [PATCHv2 6/7] cgroup: cgroup namespace setns support Aditya Kali
2014-10-31 19:19 ` [PATCHv2 7/7] cgroup: mount cgroupns-root when inside non-init cgroupns Aditya Kali
2014-11-01 0:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-01 2:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-11-01 3:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-03 23:12 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-03 23:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-03 23:23 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-03 23:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-04 0:12 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-04 0:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-04 0:49 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-04 13:57 ` Tejun Heo
2014-11-06 17:28 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-01 1:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-11-03 22:46 ` Aditya Kali
[not found] ` <CAGr1F2Hd_PS_AscBGMXdZC9qkHGRUp-MeQvJksDOQkRBB3RGoA@mail.gmail.com>
2014-11-03 22:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-04 13:46 ` Tejun Heo
2014-11-04 15:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-04 15:50 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-11-12 17:48 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-04 1:59 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-04 13:10 ` [PATCHv2 0/7] CGroup Namespaces Vivek Goyal
2014-11-06 17:33 ` Aditya Kali
2014-11-26 22:58 ` Richard Weinberger
2014-12-02 19:14 ` Aditya Kali
2014-12-05 1:55 ` [PATCHv3 0/8] " Aditya Kali
2014-12-05 1:55 ` [PATCHv3 1/8] kernfs: Add API to generate relative kernfs path Aditya Kali
2014-12-05 1:55 ` [PATCHv3 2/8] sched: new clone flag CLONE_NEWCGROUP for cgroup namespace Aditya Kali
2014-12-05 1:55 ` [PATCHv3 3/8] cgroup: add function to get task's cgroup on default hierarchy Aditya Kali
2014-12-05 1:55 ` [PATCHv3 4/8] cgroup: export cgroup_get() and cgroup_put() Aditya Kali
2014-12-05 1:55 ` [PATCHv3 5/8] cgroup: introduce cgroup namespaces Aditya Kali
2014-12-12 8:54 ` Zefan Li
2014-12-05 1:55 ` [PATCHv3 6/8] cgroup: cgroup namespace setns support Aditya Kali
2014-12-05 1:55 ` [PATCHv3 7/8] cgroup: mount cgroupns-root when inside non-init cgroupns Aditya Kali
2014-12-12 8:55 ` Zefan Li
2014-12-05 1:55 ` [PATCHv3 8/8] cgroup: Add documentation for cgroup namespaces Aditya Kali
2014-12-12 8:54 ` Zefan Li
2015-01-05 22:54 ` Aditya Kali
2014-12-14 23:05 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-01-05 22:48 ` Aditya Kali
2015-01-05 22:52 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-01-05 23:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-06 0:07 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-01-06 0:10 ` Aditya Kali
2015-01-06 0:17 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-01-06 23:20 ` Aditya Kali
2015-01-06 23:39 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-01-07 9:28 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-01-07 14:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-07 19:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-01-07 22:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-07 22:45 ` Tejun Heo
2015-01-07 23:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-07 23:06 ` Tejun Heo
2015-01-07 23:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-07 23:16 ` Tejun Heo
2015-01-07 23:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-07 23:35 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 3:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-11 4:09 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 4:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-11 5:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-11 5:17 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 6:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-11 14:36 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 16:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-11 16:03 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 16:18 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-11 5:10 ` Tejun Heo
2015-01-07 18:57 ` Aditya Kali
2014-12-05 3:20 ` [PATCHv3 0/8] CGroup Namespaces Aditya Kali
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