From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E13C43381 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C892075C for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727023AbfCKJCc convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 11 Mar 2019 05:02:32 -0400 Received: from mga09.intel.com ([134.134.136.24]:59742 "EHLO mga09.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725850AbfCKJCc (ORCPT ); Mon, 11 Mar 2019 05:02:32 -0400 X-Amp-Result: SKIPPED(no attachment in message) X-Amp-File-Uploaded: False Received: from fmsmga001.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.23]) by orsmga102.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Mar 2019 02:02:31 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.58,467,1544515200"; d="scan'208";a="153885151" Received: from jnikula-mobl3.fi.intel.com (HELO localhost) ([10.237.66.172]) by fmsmga001.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2019 02:02:27 -0700 From: Jani Nikula To: "Ahmed S. Darwish" , David Airlie , Daniel Vetter , Joonas Lahtinen , Rodrigo Vivi , Alex Deucher , Christian =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=B6nig?= , David Zhou , Ard Biesheuvel , Matt Fleming Cc: Linus Torvalds , Greg Kroah-Hartman , John Ogness , dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: DRM-based Oops viewer In-Reply-To: <20190310013142.GA3376@darwi-home-pc> Organization: Intel Finland Oy - BIC 0357606-4 - Westendinkatu 7, 02160 Espoo References: <20190310013142.GA3376@darwi-home-pc> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:04:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87mum1lr3g.fsf@intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, "Ahmed S. Darwish" wrote: > Hello DRM/UEFI maintainers, > > Several years ago, I wrote a set of patches to dump the kernel > log to disk upon panic -- through BIOS INT 0x13 services. [1] > > The overwhelming response was that it's unsafe to do this in a > generic manner. Linus proposed a video-based viewer instead: [2] > > If you want to do the BIOS services thing, do it for video: copy the > oops to low RAM, return to real mode, re-run the graphics card POST > routines to initialize text-mode, and use the BIOS to print out the > oops. That is WAY less scary than writing to disk. > > Of course it's 2019 now though, and it's quite known that > Intel is officially obsoleting the PC/AT BIOS by 2020.. [3] > > Researching whether this can be done from UEFI, it was also clear > that UEFI "Runtime Services" do not provide any re-initialization > routines. [4] > > The maximum possible that UEFI can provide is a GOP-provided > framebuffer that's ready to use by the OS -- even after the UEFI > boot phase is marked as done through ExitBootServices(). [5] > > Of course, once native drivers like i915 or radeon take over, > such a framebuffer is toast... [6] > > Thus a possible remaining option, is to display the oops through > "minimal" DRM drivers provided for each HW variant... Since > these special drivers will run only and fully under a panic() > context though, several constraints exist: > > - The code should be fully synchronous (irqs are disabled) > - It should not allocate any dynamic memory > - It should make minimal assumptions about HW state > - It should not chain into any other kernel subsystem > - It has ample freedom to use delay-based loops and the > like, the kernel is already dead. > > How feasible is it to have such a special "DRM viewoops" > framework + its minimal drivers in the kernel? Please first better define what you want to achieve. Do you want to store the dmesg or oops (like your original series suggests) or do you want to display the oops? Do you want the facility to be functioning at all times, or only when specifically requested in advance by the user? If you want to display the oops, do you want it to also work when the display is disabled at the time of the oops? What if the display is at attached to a port on a dock? There's at least kdump, ramoops, and netconsole that can be used to achieve some of what you want. How do they fall short for you? BR, Jani. > > The target is to start from i915, since that's what in my > laptop now, and work from there.. > > Some final notes: > > - The NT kernel has a similar concept, but for storage instead. > They're used to dump core under kernel panic() situations, > and are called "Minoport storage drivers". [7] > > - Since Windows 7+, a very fancy Blue Screen of Death is > displayed, with Unicode and whatnot, implying GPU drivers > involvement. [8] > > - Mac OS X also does something similar [9] > > - On Linux laptops, the current situation is _really_ bad. > > In any graphical session, type "echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger"; > the screen will just completely freeze... > > Desired first goal: just print the panic() log > > Thanks a lot, > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20110125134748.GA10051@laptop > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/AANLkTinU0KYiCd4p=z+=ojbkeEoT2G+CAYvdRU02KJEn@mail.gmail.com > > [3] https://uefi.org/sites/default/files/resources/Brian_Richardson_Intel_Final.pdf > > [4] UEFI v2.7 spec, Chapter 8, "Services — Runtime Services" > [5] UEFI v2.7 spec, Section 12.9, "Graphics Output Protocol" > "The Graphics Output Protocol supports this capability by > providing the EFI OS loader access to a hardware frame buffer > and enough information to allow the OS to draw directly to > the graphics output device." > > [6] linux/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_drv.c::i915_kick_out_firmware_fb() > linux/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_drv.c::radeon_pci_probe() > > [7] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/storage/restrictions-on-miniport-drivers-that-manage-the-boot-drive > > [8] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/5/56/20181019151937%21Bsodwindows10.png > [9] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Mac_OS_X_10.2_Kernel_Panic.jpg > > --darwi > http://darwish.chasingpointers.com -- Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center