From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6E2C433E0 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC94720823 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1730160AbgEUXnd (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 May 2020 19:43:33 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:57258 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728537AbgEUXnc (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 May 2020 19:43:32 -0400 Received: from Galois.linutronix.de (Galois.linutronix.de [IPv6:2a0a:51c0:0:12e:550::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AB01C061A0E for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 16:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p5de0bf0b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([93.224.191.11] helo=nanos.tec.linutronix.de) by Galois.linutronix.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jbuqK-0003mM-IE; Fri, 22 May 2020 01:43:16 +0200 Received: by nanos.tec.linutronix.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A0975100CA6; Fri, 22 May 2020 01:43:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Gleixner To: Kees Cook Cc: Kristen Carlson Accardi , mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de, arjan@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] Function Granular KASLR In-Reply-To: <202005211604.86AE1C2@keescook> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 01:43:15 +0200 Message-ID: <87tv08svl8.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Linutronix-Spam-Score: -1.0 X-Linutronix-Spam-Level: - X-Linutronix-Spam-Status: No , -1.0 points, 5.0 required, ALL_TRUSTED=-1,SHORTCIRCUIT=-0.0001 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Kees, Kees Cook writes: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:26:30AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: >> I understand how this is supposed to work, but I fail to find an >> explanation how all of this is preserving the text subsections we have, >> i.e. .kprobes.text, .entry.text ...? > > I had the same question when I first started looking at earlier versions > of this series! :) > >> I assume that the functions in these subsections are reshuffled within >> their own randomized address space so that __xxx_text_start and >> __xxx_text_end markers still make sense, right? > > No, but perhaps in the future. Right now, they are entirely ignored and > left untouched. I'm fine with that restriction, but for a moment I got worried that this might screw up explicit subsections. This really want's to be clearly expressed in the cover letter and the changelogs so that such questions don't arise again. > So, before any of that, just .text.* is a good first step, and after > that I think next would be getting .text randomized relative to the other > .text.* sections (IIUC, it is entirely untouched currently, so only the > standard KASLR base offset moves it around). Only after that do we start > poking around trying to munge the special section contents (which > requires use solving a few problems simultaneously). :) Thanks for the detailed explanation! tglx