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From: (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Michael Kerrisk \(man-pages\)" <>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <>,,,, Andrey Vagin <>,
	James Bottomley <>,
	"W. Trevor King" <>,
	Alexander Viro <>,
	Jonathan Corbet <>,
	Andrei Vagin <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Add further ioctl() operations for namespace discovery
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:28:39 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <> (Michael Kerrisk's message of "Thu, 22 Dec 2016 08:20:33 +0100")

"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <> writes:

> Hi Eric,
> On 12/22/2016 01:27 AM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <> writes:
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> On 12/21/2016 01:17 AM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>>> "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <> writes:
>>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>> On 12/20/2016 09:22 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <> writes:
>>>>>>> Hello Eric,
>>>>>>> On 12/19/2016 11:53 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <> writes:
>>>> Now the question becomes who are the users of this?  Because it just
>>>> occurred to me that we now have an interesting complication.  Userspace
>>>> extending the meaning of the capability bits, and using to protect
>>>> additional things.  Ugh.  That could be a maintenance problem of another
>>>> flavor.  Definitely not my favorite.
>>> I don't follow you here. Could you say some more about what you mean?
>> I have seen user space userspace do thing such as extend CAP_SYS_REBOOT
>> to things such as permission to invoke "shutdown -r now".  Which
>> depending on what a clean reboot entails could be greately increasing
>> the scope of CAP_SYS_REBOOT.
>> I am concerned for that and similar situations that userspace
>> applications could lead us into situation that one wrong decision could
>> wind up being an unfixable mistake because fixing the mistake would
>> break userspsace.
> Okay.
>>>> So why are we asking the questions about what permissions a process has?
>>> My main interest here is monitoring/discovery/debugging on a running
>>> NS_GET_NSTYPE provide most of what I'd like to see. Being able to ask
>>> "does this process have permissions in that namespace?" would be nice 
>>> to have in terms of understanding/debugging a system.
>> If we are just looking at explanations then I seem to have been
>> over-engineering things.  So let's just aim at the two ioctls.
>> Or at least the information in those ioctls.
> Okay.
>> With at least a comment on the ioctl returning the OWNER_UID that
>> describes why it is not a problem to if the owners uid is something like
>> ((uid_t)-3).  Which overlaps with the space for error return codes.
>> I don't know if we are fine or not, but that review comment definitely
>> deserves some consideration.
> See my reply just sent to Andrei. We should instead then just return 
> the UID via a buffer pointed to by the ioctl() argument:
> ioctl(fd, NS_GET_OWNER_UID, &uid);

That will work without problem.  Especially as unsigned int is the same
on both 32bit and 64bit so we won't need a compat ioctl.


      reply	other threads:[~2016-12-22 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-19 14:38 [PATCH 0/2] Add further ioctl() operations for namespace discovery Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-12-19 22:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-12-20 15:35   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-12-20 20:22     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-12-20 20:55       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-12-21  0:17         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-12-21  9:53           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-12-22  0:27             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-12-22  7:20               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-12-22 10:28                 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]

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