From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503CFC6FA8E for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 08:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233792AbiIZIVF (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 Sep 2022 04:21:05 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:48334 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S234302AbiIZIUm (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 Sep 2022 04:20:42 -0400 Received: from sin.source.kernel.org (sin.source.kernel.org [IPv6:2604:1380:40e1:4800::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56777357FC; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sin.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 199C3CE1079; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 08:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0F18C433C1; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 08:20:21 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1664180426; bh=qE+sUkuGFoPDcFsp8tOmihQKG0t6W0MTW0AZE4mfjB4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=jTSGFn25/qVW5yI5AjsbHw3hxCyQW1eSdqbF8FamhZ+FO7QUTqYsunUQnfFaHqQsh xU8rSvoK+bA67bFBlE5jLvcbZnbF5E70xl3FExoW0OG5hhPeMh0MCjVGZvHZ0g3EEZ nvp8pN4WZgFLEueWXQIUTHML5xQjtgxOxhfZHL8p+/03D1Ja1qV4XryYi03CSRpWdt U39icOTT/H1i94HqXT0A9JnwDWq8EYETVdkJn6GSWSDG35b8oWesjE3CqPTL4W7wqS GrzGV7LQpshTuWsOxW47tZb8g37dVv2dXqwKsVZjFQZMDlOlaJv/WjJ59LFEvTrNuy p/LP3ugRNmhrw== From: Kalle Valo To: Linus Walleij Cc: Alvin =?utf-8?Q?=C5=A0ipraga?= , Konrad Dybcio , Hector Martin , "~postmarketos\/upstreaming\@lists.sr.ht" <~postmarketos/upstreaming@lists.sr.ht>, "martin.botka\@somainline.org" , "angelogioacchino.delregno\@somainline.org" , "marijn.suijten\@somainline.org" , "jamipkettunen\@somainline.org" , Arend van Spriel , Franky Lin , Hante Meuleman , "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , Jakub Kicinski , Paolo Abeni , Marek Vasut , "Zhao\, Jiaqing" , "Russell King \(Oracle\)" , Soon Tak Lee , "linux-wireless\@vger.kernel.org" , "brcm80211-dev-list.pdl\@broadcom.com" , "SHA-cyfmac-dev-list\@infineon.com" , "netdev\@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Stockholm syndrome with Linux wireless? References: <20220921001630.56765-1-konrad.dybcio@somainline.org> <83b90478-3974-28e6-cf13-35fc4f62e0db@marcan.st> <13b8c67c-399c-d1a6-4929-61aea27aa57d@somainline.org> <0e65a8b2-0827-af1e-602c-76d9450e3d11@marcan.st> <7fd077c5-83f8-02e2-03c1-900a47f05dc1@somainline.org> <20220922133056.eo26da4npkg6bpf2@bang-olufsen.dk> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 11:20:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Linus Walleij's message of "Thu, 22 Sep 2022 22:18:34 +0200") Message-ID: <87wn9q35tp.fsf_-_@kernel.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (changing the subject as this has nothing to do with brcmfmac) Linus Walleij writes: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 3:31 PM Alvin =C5=A0ipraga = wrote: > >> I would also point out that the BCM4359 is equivalent to the >> CYW88359/CYW89359 chipset, which we are using in some of our >> products. Note that this is a Cypress chipset (identifiable by the >> Version: ... (... CY) tag in the version string). But the FW Konrad is >> linking appears to be for a Broadcom chipset. > > This just makes me think about Peter Robinsons seminar at > LPC last week... > "All types of wireless in Linux are terrible and why the vendors > should feel bad" > https://lpc.events/event/16/contributions/1278/attachments/1120/2153/wire= less-issues.pdf Thanks, this was a good read! I'm always interested about user and downstream feedback, both good and bad :) But I didn't get the Stockholm syndrome comment in the end, what does he mean with that? BTW we have a wireless workshop in netdevconf 0x16, it would be great to have there a this kind of session discussing user pain points: https://netdevconf.info/0x16/session.html?Wireless-Workshop --=20 https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-wireless/list/ https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/documentation/submittingpatc= hes