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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Infrastructure to allow fixing exec deadlocks
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 23:06:12 -0600
Message-ID: <87zhcuax8b.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR03MB5170C0E85446CAE39F642F5BE4E20@AM6PR03MB5170.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> (Bernd Edlinger's message of "Thu, 5 Mar 2020 22:31:24 +0000")

Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de> writes:

> On 3/5/20 10:14 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> 
>> Bernd, everyone
>> 
>> This is how I think the infrastructure change should look that makes way
>> for fixing this issue.
>> 
>> - Correct the point of no return.
>> - Add a new mutex to replace cred_guard_mutex
>> 
>> Then I think it is just going through the existing
>> users of cred_guard_mutex and fixing them to use the new one.
>> 
>> There really aren't that many users of cred_guard_mutex so we should be
>> able to get through the easy ones fairly quickly.  And anything that
>> isn't easy we can wait until we have a good fix.
>> 
>> The users of cred_guard_mutex that I saw were:
>>     fs/proc/base.c:
>>        proc_pid_attr_write
>>        do_io_accounting
>>        proc_pid_stack
>>        proc_pid_syscall
>>        proc_pid_personality
>>     
>>     perf_event_open
>>     mm_access
>>     kcmp
>>     pidfd_fget
>>     seccomp_set_mode_filter
>> 
>> Bernd does this make sense to you?  
>> 
>> I think we can fix the seccomp/no_new_privs issue with some careful
>> refactoring.  We can probably do the same for ptrace but that appears
>> to need a little lsm bug fixing.
>> 
>
> Yes, for most functions the proposed "exec_update_mutex" is fine,
> but we will need a longer-time block for ptrace_attach, seccomp_set_mode_filter
> and proc_pid_attr_write need to be blocked for the whole exec duration so
> they need a second "mutex", with deadlock-detection as in my previous patch,
> if I see that right.

So far I am leaving "cred_guard_mutex" as that second "mutex".  My sense
is that when all we have left are the hard cases we can take those
cases out in detail, examine them and see what really can be done.

> Unfortunately only one of the two test cases can be fixed without the
> second mutex, of course the mm_access is what cause the practical problem.

Fixing the practical problems are foremost on my agenda.
That and clearing away enough of the noise that we can really focus on
the hard problems when we begin to address them.

That way I am hoping we can really solve some of these issues and make
them go away.

> Currently for the unlimited user space delay, I have only the case of
> a ptraced sibling thread on my radar, de_thread waits for the parent
> to call wait in this case, that can literally take forever.
> But I know that also PTRACE_CONT may be needed after a PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT.
>
> Can you explain what else in the user space can go wrong to make an
> unlimited delay in the execve?

Triggering a page fault.  Depending on the backing store or possibly
with the use of userfaultfd that page fault can be delayed indefinitely
and pretty much be as bad as the ptrace case.

Eric

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Thread overview: 203+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-01 11:27 [PATCH] exec: Fix a deadlock in ptrace Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-01 15:13 ` Aleksa Sarai
2020-03-01 15:58   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-01 17:46     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-01 18:20       ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-01 17:24   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-01 18:21 ` Jann Horn
2020-03-01 18:52   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-01 19:00     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-01 20:00     ` Jann Horn
2020-03-01 20:34       ` [PATCHv2] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02  6:38         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-02 15:43           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 15:57             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-02 16:02               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 16:17                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-02 16:43                   ` Jann Horn
2020-03-02 17:01                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 17:37                       ` Jann Horn
2020-03-02 17:42                         ` christian
2020-03-02 18:08                           ` Jann Horn
2020-03-02 20:10                             ` [PATCHv3] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 20:28                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 17:13                   ` [PATCHv2] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 21:49                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-02 22:00                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02 22:18                       ` [PATCHv4] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03  2:26                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-03  4:54                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03  5:29                             ` Kees Cook
2020-03-03  8:08                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03  8:34                                 ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03  8:43                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-04 15:30                                 ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03  8:58                           ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 10:34                             ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 11:23                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 14:20                                 ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 13:02                             ` [PATCHv5] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 15:18                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-03 16:48                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 17:01                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 17:20                                     ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 20:08                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-04 14:37                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-04 16:33                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-04 21:49                                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-04 21:56                                         ` [PATCHv6] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-05 18:36                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-05 21:14                                             ` [PATCH 0/2] Infrastructure to allow fixing exec deadlocks Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 21:15                                               ` [PATCH 1/2] exec: Properly mark the point of no return Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 22:34                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06  5:19                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 22:56                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06  5:09                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-06 16:26                                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06 17:16                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 21:16                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] exec: Add a exec_update_mutex to replace cred_guard_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 21:51                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06  5:17                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-06 11:46                                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06 21:18                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-06 19:16                                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06 21:58                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-06 22:29                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-07  1:03                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-08 12:58                                                             ` [PATCH] exec: make de_thread alloc new signal struct earlier Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-08 18:12                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-05 22:31                                               ` [PATCH 0/2] Infrastructure to allow fixing exec deadlocks Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-06  5:06                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2020-03-08 21:34                                               ` [PATCH 0/5] " Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-08 21:35                                                 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] exec: Only compute current once in flush_old_exec Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 13:56                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 17:34                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 17:56                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:27                                                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 20:17                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:12                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-08 21:36                                                 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] exec: Factor unshare_sighand out of de_thread and call it separately Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:28                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 20:29                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 20:34                                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 20:57                                                       ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:21                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-08 21:36                                                 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] exec: Move cleanup of posix timers on exec out of de_thread Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:30                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:59                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-09 20:06                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 20:17                                                       ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-09 20:48                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10  8:55                                                           ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-10 18:52                                                             ` [PATCH] pidfd: Stop taking cred_guard_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 19:15                                                               ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-10 19:16                                                               ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 19:27                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:00                                                                   ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 20:10                                                                     ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 20:22                                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11  6:11                                                                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 14:56                                                                           ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 20:57                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 21:29                                                                         ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-11 18:49                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-14  9:12                                                                           ` [PATCH] pidfd: Use new infrastructure to fix deadlocks in execve Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 20:16                                                           ` [PATCH v2 3/5] exec: Move cleanup of posix timers on exec out of de_thread Kees Cook
2020-03-10 20:31                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 20:57                                                   ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 21:05                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 21:22                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-08 21:38                                                 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] exec: Move exec_mmap right after de_thread in flush_old_exec Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:34                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:45                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:52                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:58                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 20:03                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 20:35                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:44                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:20                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:47                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:09                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-08 21:38                                                 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] exec: Add a exec_update_mutex to replace cred_guard_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 13:45                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 17:40                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 18:01                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 18:10                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 18:24                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 18:36                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 18:47                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:02                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:24                                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-09 19:35                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-09 19:39                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 13:43                                                                       ` [PATCH 0/4] Use new infrastructure to fix deadlocks in execve Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 15:35                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 17:44                                                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] Use new infrastructure in more simple cases Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 17:45                                                                           ` [PATCH 1/4] kernel/kcmp.c: Use new infrastructure to fix deadlocks in execve Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 19:01                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 19:42                                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 17:45                                                                           ` [PATCH 2/4] proc: " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 18:59                                                                             ` Kees Cook
2020-03-11 19:10                                                                             ` Kees Cook
2020-03-11 19:38                                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 17:45                                                                           ` [PATCH 3/4] proc: io_accounting: " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 19:06                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:19                                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 21:25                                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-11 19:08                                                                             ` Kees Cook
2020-03-11 19:48                                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 19:48                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 17:45                                                                           ` [PATCH 4/4] perf: " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 13:43                                                                       ` [PATCH 1/4] exec: Fix a deadlock in ptrace Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 15:13                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 15:17                                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 21:00                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 13:44                                                                       ` [PATCH 2/4] selftests/ptrace: add test cases for dead-locks Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-10 21:36                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 22:41                                                                         ` Dmitry V. Levin
2020-03-10 13:44                                                                       ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: docs: Fix a comment in process_vm_rw_core Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 18:53                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 13:44                                                                       ` [PATCH 4/4] kernel: doc: remove outdated comment cred.c Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 18:54                                                                         ` Kees Cook
2020-03-09 19:33                                                                   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] exec: Add a exec_update_mutex to replace cred_guard_mutex Dmitry V. Levin
2020-03-09 19:42                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 20:55                                                                   ` Kees Cook
2020-03-10 21:02                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 21:21                                                   ` Jann Horn
2020-03-10 21:30                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-10 23:21                                                       ` Jann Horn
2020-03-11  0:15                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-11  6:33                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-11 16:29                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-11 13:18                                                   ` Qian Cai
2020-03-12 10:27                                                   ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-12 12:24                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-12 13:45                                                       ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-12 14:38                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-12 15:23                                                           ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-13  1:05                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-13  9:13                                                             ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-14  9:11                                                               ` [PATCH v3 " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-17  8:56                                                                 ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-17 21:53                                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-18 12:22                                                                     ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-18 20:06                                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-19  7:13                                                                         ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-19  7:19                                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-19  9:11                                                                           ` [PATCH v4 3/5] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-19  9:13                                                                             ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-19  9:19                                                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-19  9:20                                                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-21 22:53                                                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14  9:12                                                               ` [PATCH 0/2] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14  9:12                                                               ` [PATCH 1/2] " Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14  9:13                                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] doc: Update documentation of ->exec_*_mutex Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14  9:57                                                               ` [PATCH v2 5/5] exec: Add a exec_update_mutex to replace cred_guard_mutex Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-14 10:02                                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-17  8:58                                                                   ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-03-09 13:58                                                 ` [PATCH 0/5] Infrastructure to allow fixing exec deadlocks Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-03 16:50                                 ` [PATCHv5] exec: Fix a deadlock in ptrace Christian Brauner
2020-03-02 12:28         ` [PATCHv2] " Oleg Nesterov
2020-03-02 15:56           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-03-02  7:47       ` [PATCH] " Christian Brauner
2020-03-02  7:48         ` Christian Brauner

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