From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Laurent Vivier <laurent@vivier.eu>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, dima@arista.com,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/1] ns: introduce binfmt_misc namespace
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 09:16:04 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhusq3x7.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fcebfa0c-b389-5c4d-19b8-2f08b487ec25@vivier.eu> (Laurent Vivier's message of "Thu, 1 Nov 2018 13:28:19 +0100")
Laurent Vivier <laurent@vivier.eu> writes:
> On 01/11/2018 04:51, Jann Horn wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:59 AM James Bottomley
>> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 11:52 +0200, Laurent Vivier wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Any comment on this last version?
>>>>
>>>> Any chance to be merged?
>>>
>>> I've got a use case for this: I went to one of the Graphene talks in
>>> Edinburgh and it struck me that we seem to keep reinventing the type of
>>> sandboxing that qemu-user already does. However if you want to do an
>>> x86 on x86 sandbox, you can't currently use the binfmt_misc mechanism
>>> because that has you running *every* binary on the system emulated.
>>> Doing it per user namespace fixes this problem and allows us to at
>>> least cut down on all the pointless duplication.
>>
>> Waaaaaait. What? qemu-user does not do "sandboxing". qemu-user makes
>> your code slower and *LESS* secure. As far as I know, qemu-user is
>> only intended for purposes like development and testing.
>>
>
> I think the idea here is not to run qemu, but to use an interpreter
> (something like gVisor) into a container to control the binaries
> execution inside the container without using this interpreter on the
> host itself (container and host shares the same binfmt_misc
> magic/mask).
Please remind me of this patchset after the merge window is over, and if
there are no issues I will take it via my user namespace branch.
Last I looked I had a concern that some of the permission check issues
were being papered over by using override cred instead of fixing the
deaper code. Sometimes they are necessary but seeing work-arounds
instead of fixes for problems tends to be a maintenance issue, possibly
with security consequences. Best is if the everyone agrees on how all
of the interfaces work so their are no surprises.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-11-01 14:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-10-10 16:14 [PATCH v6 0/1] ns: introduce binfmt_misc namespace Laurent Vivier
2018-10-10 16:14 ` [PATCH v6 1/1] ns: add binfmt_misc to the user namespace Laurent Vivier
2018-10-16 10:13 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-10-16 10:53 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-10-16 16:22 ` Andrei Vagin
2018-10-24 17:15 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-10-30 8:51 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-11-06 19:40 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-16 9:52 ` [PATCH v6 0/1] ns: introduce binfmt_misc namespace Laurent Vivier
2018-11-01 2:59 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-01 3:51 ` Jann Horn
2018-11-01 12:28 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-11-01 14:16 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2018-11-29 13:05 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-12-29 15:41 ` Laurent Vivier
2018-11-01 14:10 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-01 14:44 ` Jann Horn
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