From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264353AbTICSns (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:43:48 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264329AbTICSmo (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:42:44 -0400 Received: from e6.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.106]:27329 "EHLO e6.ny.us.ibm.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264234AbTICS3X (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:29:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:17:56 -0700 From: "Martin J. Bligh" To: Larry McVoy , "Brown, Len" cc: Giuliano Pochini , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Scaling noise Message-ID: <89360000.1062613076@flay> In-Reply-To: <20030903173213.GC5769@work.bitmover.com> References: <20030903173213.GC5769@work.bitmover.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.2 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >> Back to the original off-topic... >> An OEM can spin their motivation to focus on smaller systems in 3 ways: >> >> 1. large server sales are a small % of industry units >> 2. large server sales are a small % of industry revenue >> 3. large server sales are a small % of industry profits >> >> Only 1 is true. > > How about some data to back up that statement? > > Sun: ~11B/year and losing money, heavily server based > Dell: ~38B/year and making money, 99% small box based > > If you were gambling with _your_ money, would you invest in Sun or Dell? Errm, IBM is gambling with _their_ money, as are others such as HP, and they're making big iron. So do you believe they're all just completely stupid, and unable to read their own sales figures? Or is it just a vast conspiracy to promote large SMP / NUMA boxes because of ... something? Sun is not loosing money because they're "server based". It's because they're locked into Solaris and SPARC, and customers by and large don't want that. Their machines are probably rather overpriced vs using ia32 hardware as well. Your 1 dimensional extension of logic is ... unimpressive. M.