Re: Wild thangs, was: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue

From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Wild thangs, was: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in  /var/spool/mqueue
Date: 10 Nov 2000 17:18:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ui6ol$c4a$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A0C427A.E015E58A@timpanogas.org> <3A0C6B7C.110902B4@timpanogas.org> <3A0C6E01.EFA10590@timpanogas.org> <3A0C929B.EE6F7137@linux.com>

Followup to:  <3A0C929B.EE6F7137@linux.com>
By author:    David Ford <david@linux.com>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> 
> - Requires high load average allowance
>     Incorrect.  Same machine barely spiked a tenth of a point for this load and dropped
> back to .05.  Only time I adjusted the configured load average allowance was back in my
> naive days and we got hit with 80,000 in the queue at one time from multiple spammers.
> Part of this test's load came from numerous things running and the mail sending required
> spinup of the drive which blocked.
> 

Well, I think it does, but not because it itself is generating much of
a load.  I had it block traffic on my desktop machine while doing a
kernel compile; I run with high parallelism and the load occationally
spikes in the high 20's.  However, the machine is perfectly
responsive, and so I was a little taken back by this.

The way Linux computes the load average really does call for higher
limits than what BSD does.  This isn't inherently a "good" or "bad"
thing -- it's just a fact of life.  That being said, it probably would
be useful if the Sendmail people would provide higher default limits
in cf/ostype/linux.m4 than for other systems.

The one thing about load average that is making it a bit hard to deal
with is that workloads on modern machines tend to vary a little too
quickly for the standard load average time constants to deal well with
them.  It's probably fine for throttling down a machine that is
getting killed with requests, but not really enough to keep, say,
parallel make without a limit ("make -j" as opposed to "make -j5")
from forking the machine to the point where the make itself fails
before knowing what just hit it.

	-hpa

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