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From: "Jan H. Schönherr" <jschoenh@amazon.de>
To: Subhra Mazumdar <subhra.mazumdar@oracle.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/60] Coscheduling for Linux
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:44:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <90282ce3-dd14-73dc-fb9f-e78bb4042221@amazon.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3336974a-38f7-41dd-25a7-df05e077444f@oracle.com>

On 09/18/2018 02:33 AM, Subhra Mazumdar wrote:
> On 09/07/2018 02:39 PM, Jan H. Schönherr wrote:
>> A) Quickstart guide for the impatient.
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Here is a quickstart guide to set up coscheduling at core-level for
>> selected tasks on an SMT-capable system:
>>
>> 1. Apply the patch series to v4.19-rc2.
>> 2. Compile with "CONFIG_COSCHEDULING=y".
>> 3. Boot into the newly built kernel with an additional kernel command line
>>     argument "cosched_max_level=1" to enable coscheduling up to core-level.
>> 4. Create one or more cgroups and set their "cpu.scheduled" to "1".
>> 5. Put tasks into the created cgroups and set their affinity explicitly.
>> 6. Enjoy tasks of the same group and on the same core executing
>>     simultaneously, whenever they are executed.
>>
>> You are not restricted to coscheduling at core-level. Just select higher
>> numbers in steps 3 and 4. See also further below for more information, esp.
>> when you want to try higher numbers on larger systems.
>>
>> Setting affinity explicitly for tasks within coscheduled cgroups is
>> currently necessary, as the load balancing portion is still missing in this
>> series.
>>
> I don't get the affinity part. If I create two cgroups by giving them only
> cpu shares (no cpuset) and set their cpu.scheduled=1, will this ensure
> co-scheduling of each group on core level for all cores in the system?

Short answer: Yes. But ignoring the affinity part will very likely result in
              a poor experience with this patch set.


I was referring to the CPU affinity of a task, that you can set via
sched_setaffinity() from within a program or via taskset from the command
line. For each task/thread within a cgroup, you should set the affinity to
exactly one CPU. Otherwise -- as the load balancing part is still missing --
you might end up with all tasks running on one CPU or some other unfortunate
load distribution.

Coscheduling itself does not care about the load, so each group will be
(co-)scheduled at core level, no matter where the tasks ended up.

Regards
Jan

PS: Below is an example to illustrate the resulting schedules a bit better,
and what might happen, if you don't bind the to-be-coscheduled tasks to
individual CPUs.



For example, consider a dual-core system with SMT (i.e. 4 CPUs in total),
two task groups A and B, and tasks within them a0, a1, ..  and b0, b1, ..
respectively.

Let the system topology look like this:

        System          (level 2)
      /        \
  Core 0      Core 1    (level 1)
  /    \      /    \
CPU0  CPU1  CPU2  CPU3  (level 0)


If you set cpu.scheduled=1 for A and B, each core will be coscheduled
independently, if there are tasks of A or B on the core. Assuming there
are runnable tasks in A and B and some other tasks on a core, you will
see a schedule like:

  A -> B -> other tasks -> A -> B -> other tasks -> ...

(or some permutation thereof) happen synchronously across both CPUs
of a core -- with no guarantees which tasks within A/within B/
within the other tasks will execute simultaneously -- and with no
guarantee what will execute on the other two CPUs simultaneously. (The
distribution of CPU time between A, B, and other tasks follows the usual
CFS weight proportional distribution, just at core level.) If neither
CPU of a core has any runnable tasks of a certain group, it won't be part
of the schedule (e.g., A -> other -> A -> other).

With cpu.scheduled=2, you lift this schedule to system-level and you would
see it happen across all four CPUs synchronously. With cpu.scheduled=0, you
get this schedule at CPU-level as we're all used to with no synchronization
between CPUs. (It gets a tad more interesting, when you start mixing groups
with cpu.scheduled=1 and =2.)


Here are some schedules, that you might see, with A and B coscheduled at
core level (and that can be enforced this way (along the horizontal dimension)
by setting the affinity of tasks; without setting the affinity, it could be
any of them):

Tasks equally distributed within A and B:

t   CPU0  CPU1  CPU2  CPU3
0    a0    a1    b2    b3
1    a0    a1   other other
2    b0    b1   other other
3    b0    b1    a2    a3
4   other other  a2    a3
5   other other  b2    b3

All tasks within A and B on one CPU:

t   CPU0  CPU1  CPU2  CPU3
0    a0    --   other other
1    a1    --   other other
2    b0    --   other other
3    b1    --   other other
4   other other other other
5    a2    --   other other
6    a3    --   other other
7    b2    --   other other
8    b3    --   other other

Tasks within a group equally distributed across one core:

t   CPU0  CPU1  CPU2  CPU3
0    a0    a2    b1    b3
1    a0    a3   other other
2    a1    a3   other other
3    a1    a2    b0    b3
4   other other  b0    b2
5   other other  b1    b2

You will never see an A-task sharing a core with a B-task at any point in time
(except for the 2 microseconds or so, that the collective context switch takes).


  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-18 11:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-07 21:39 [RFC 00/60] Coscheduling for Linux Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 01/60] sched: Store task_group->se[] pointers as part of cfs_rq Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 02/60] sched: Introduce set_entity_cfs() to place a SE into a certain CFS runqueue Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 03/60] sched: Setup sched_domain_shared for all sched_domains Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 04/60] sched: Replace sd_numa_mask() hack with something sane Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 05/60] sched: Allow to retrieve the sched_domain_topology Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 06/60] sched: Add a lock-free variant of resched_cpu() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 07/60] sched: Reduce dependencies of init_tg_cfs_entry() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 08/60] sched: Move init_entity_runnable_average() into init_tg_cfs_entry() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 09/60] sched: Do not require a CFS in init_tg_cfs_entry() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 10/60] sched: Use parent_entity() in more places Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 11/60] locking/lockdep: Increase number of supported lockdep subclasses Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:39 ` [RFC 12/60] locking/lockdep: Make cookie generator accessible Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 13/60] sched: Remove useless checks for root task-group Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 14/60] sched: Refactor sync_throttle() to accept a CFS runqueue as argument Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 15/60] sched: Introduce parent_cfs_rq() and use it Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 16/60] sched: Preparatory code movement Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 17/60] sched: Introduce and use generic task group CFS traversal functions Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 18/60] sched: Fix return value of SCHED_WARN_ON() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 19/60] sched: Add entity variants of enqueue_task_fair() and dequeue_task_fair() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 20/60] sched: Let {en,de}queue_entity_fair() work with a varying amount of tasks Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 21/60] sched: Add entity variants of put_prev_task_fair() and set_curr_task_fair() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 22/60] cosched: Add config option for coscheduling support Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 23/60] cosched: Add core data structures for coscheduling Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 24/60] cosched: Do minimal pre-SMP coscheduler initialization Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 25/60] cosched: Prepare scheduling domain topology for coscheduling Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 26/60] cosched: Construct runqueue hierarchy Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 27/60] cosched: Add some small helper functions for later use Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 28/60] cosched: Add is_sd_se() to distinguish SD-SEs from TG-SEs Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 29/60] cosched: Adjust code reflecting on the total number of CFS tasks on a CPU Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 30/60] cosched: Disallow share modification on task groups for now Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 31/60] cosched: Don't disable idle tick " Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 32/60] cosched: Specialize parent_cfs_rq() for hierarchical runqueues Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 33/60] cosched: Allow resched_curr() to be called " Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 34/60] cosched: Add rq_of() variants for different use cases Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 35/60] cosched: Adjust rq_lock() functions to work with hierarchical runqueues Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 36/60] cosched: Use hrq_of() for rq_clock() and rq_clock_task() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 37/60] cosched: Use hrq_of() for (indirect calls to) ___update_load_sum() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 38/60] cosched: Skip updates on non-CPU runqueues in cfs_rq_util_change() Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 39/60] cosched: Adjust task group management for hierarchical runqueues Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 40/60] cosched: Keep track of task group hierarchy within each SD-RQ Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 41/60] cosched: Introduce locking for leader activities Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 42/60] cosched: Introduce locking for (mostly) enqueuing and dequeuing Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 43/60] cosched: Add for_each_sched_entity() variant for owned entities Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 44/60] cosched: Perform various rq_of() adjustments in scheduler code Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 45/60] cosched: Continue to account all load on per-CPU runqueues Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 46/60] cosched: Warn on throttling attempts of non-CPU runqueues Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 47/60] cosched: Adjust SE traversal and locking for common leader activities Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 48/60] cosched: Adjust SE traversal and locking for yielding and buddies Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 49/60] cosched: Adjust locking for enqueuing and dequeueing Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 50/60] cosched: Propagate load changes across hierarchy levels Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 51/60] cosched: Hacky work-around to avoid observing zero weight SD-SE Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 52/60] cosched: Support SD-SEs in enqueuing and dequeuing Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 53/60] cosched: Prevent balancing related functions from crossing hierarchy levels Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 54/60] cosched: Support idling in a coscheduled set Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 55/60] cosched: Adjust task selection for coscheduling Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 56/60] cosched: Adjust wakeup preemption rules " Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 57/60] cosched: Add sysfs interface to configure coscheduling on cgroups Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 58/60] cosched: Switch runqueues between regular scheduling and coscheduling Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 59/60] cosched: Handle non-atomicity during switches to and from coscheduling Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-07 21:40 ` [RFC 60/60] cosched: Add command line argument to enable coscheduling Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-10  2:50   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-09-12  0:24 ` [RFC 00/60] Coscheduling for Linux Nishanth Aravamudan
2018-09-12 19:34   ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-12 23:15     ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2018-09-13 11:31       ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-13 18:16         ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2018-09-12 23:18     ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-13  3:05       ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2018-09-13 19:19 ` [RFC 61/60] cosched: Accumulated fixes and improvements Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-26 17:25   ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2018-09-26 21:05     ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2018-10-01  9:13       ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-14 11:12 ` [RFC 00/60] Coscheduling for Linux Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-14 16:25   ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-15  8:48     ` Task group cleanups and optimizations (was: Re: [RFC 00/60] Coscheduling for Linux) Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-17  9:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-18 13:22         ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-18 13:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-18 13:54             ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-18 13:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-18 14:35           ` Rik van Riel
2018-09-19  9:23             ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-11-23 16:51           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-12-04 13:23             ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-17 11:33     ` [RFC 00/60] Coscheduling for Linux Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-02 22:13       ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2018-09-17 12:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26  9:58       ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-27 18:36         ` Subhra Mazumdar
2018-11-23 16:29           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-09-17 13:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26  9:35       ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-18 14:40     ` Rik van Riel
2018-09-24 15:23       ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-24 18:01         ` Rik van Riel
2018-09-18  0:33 ` Subhra Mazumdar
2018-09-18 11:44   ` Jan H. Schönherr [this message]
2018-09-19 21:53     ` Subhra Mazumdar
2018-09-24 15:43       ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-09-27 18:12         ` Subhra Mazumdar
2018-10-04 13:29 ` Jon Masters
2018-10-17  2:09 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-19 11:40   ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-10-19 14:52     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-19 15:16     ` Rik van Riel
2018-10-19 15:33       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-19 15:45         ` Rik van Riel
2018-10-19 19:07           ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-10-19  0:26 ` Subhra Mazumdar
2018-10-26 23:44   ` Jan H. Schönherr
2018-10-29 22:52     ` Subhra Mazumdar
2018-10-26 23:05 ` Subhra Mazumdar
2018-10-27  0:07   ` Jan H. Schönherr

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