From: Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>, Vito Caputo <vcaputo@pengaru.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
x86@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org, luto@kernel.org,
jannh@google.com, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: CONFIG_ORC_UNWINDER=y breaks get_wchan()?
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:30:01 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <930f0c5e-0fd4-aae7-334f-ec9cc42998a4@bytedance.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210922001537.4ktg3r2ky3b3r6yp@treble>
On 9/22/21 8:15 AM, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 12:32:49PM -0700, Vito Caputo wrote:
>> Is this an oversight of the ORC_UNWINDER implementation? It's
>> arguably a regression to completely break wchans for tools like `ps -o
>> wchan` and `top`, or my window manager and its separate monitoring
>> utility. Presumably there are other tools out there sampling wchans
>> for monitoring as well, there's also an internal use of get_chan() in
>> kernel/sched/fair.c for sleep profiling.
>>
>> I've occasionally seen when monitoring at a high sample rate (60hz) on
>> something churny like a parallel kernel or systemd build, there's a
>> spurious non-zero sample coming out of /proc/[pid]/wchan containing a
>> hexadecimal address like 0xffffa9ebc181bcf8. This all smells broken,
>> is get_wchan() occasionally spitting out random junk here kallsyms
>> can't resolve, because get_chan() is completely ignorant of
>> ORC_UNWINDER's effects?
>
> Hi Vito,
>
> Thanks for reporting this. Does this patch fix your issue?
>
> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20210831083625.59554-1-zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com
>
> Though, considering wchan has been silently broken for four years, I do
> wonder what the impact would be if we were to just continue to show "0"
> (and change frame pointers to do the same).
Agree, Or remove get_wchan() directly.
>
> The kernel is much more cautious than it used to be about exposing this
> type of thing. Can you elaborate on your use case?
>
> If we do keep it, we might want to require CAP_SYS_ADMIN anyway, for
> similar reasons as
>
> f8a00cef1720 ("proc: restrict kernel stack dumps to root")
>
> ... since presumably proc_pid_wchan()'s use of '%ps' can result in an
> actual address getting printed if the unwind gets confused, thanks to
> __sprint_symbol()'s backup option if kallsyms_lookup_buildid() doesn't
> find a name.
>
> Though, instead of requiring CAP_SYS_ADMIN, maybe we can just fix
> __sprint_symbol() to not expose addresses?
>
> Or is there some other reason for needing CAP_SYS_ADMIN? Jann?
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-22 3:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-21 19:32 CONFIG_ORC_UNWINDER=y breaks get_wchan()? Vito Caputo
2021-09-22 0:15 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-09-22 3:04 ` Kees Cook
2021-09-23 23:59 ` Jann Horn
2021-09-25 19:07 ` David Laight
2021-09-22 3:30 ` Qi Zheng [this message]
2021-10-05 0:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-09-24 5:46 ` Vito Caputo
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=930f0c5e-0fd4-aae7-334f-ec9cc42998a4@bytedance.com \
--to=zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com \
--cc=jannh@google.com \
--cc=jpoimboe@redhat.com \
--cc=keescook@chromium.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=luto@kernel.org \
--cc=peterz@infradead.org \
--cc=vcaputo@pengaru.com \
--cc=x86@kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).