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Peter Anvin wrote: > What really makes me say that is that a lot of things we have recently > asked for gcc-specific extensions are in fact relatively easy to > implement in standard C++ and, in many cases, allows for infrastructure > improvement *without* global code changes (see below.) > > C++14 is in my option the "minimum" version that has reasonable > metaprogramming support has most of it without the type hell of earlier > versions (C++11 had most of it, but C++14 fills in some key missing > pieces). If you mean it, I do too. So I can only express my +1: yes, please. I don't have much to add as you summarized most of it. thanks, -- js suse labs