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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Van De Ven, Arjan" <arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com>,
	"Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [patch RFC 1/5] x86/CPU: Sync CPU feature flags late
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 18:57:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <96FD6D6D-4D56-492F-A996-F18F913F5091@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1801100245010.2200@nanos>


> On Jan 9, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018, Van De Ven, Arjan wrote:
>>> In other words, if you use late microcode loading for getting IBRS, you
>>> don't get ALTERNATIVE patching and its benefits?
>>> 
>>> I'll also profess some microcode ignorance here.  Is "late microcode
>>> patching" *all* of the stuff we do from the OS, or do we have early and
>>> late Linux loading in addition to what the BIOS can do?
>> 
>> the early boot loader level stuff is much better generally (but does not
>> work when the microcode comes out after the system booted... like really
>> long uptimes)
> 
> That stuff indeed would be way simpler w/o the late support, but the fact
> that the microcode for this might reach the user way later than the kernel
> support makes it almost a must to support the late loading.

How hard would it be to add a late alternative feature?  Concretely, we'd have a list of "late" cpufeatures.  When we scan the alternative list, if we find a late feature, we copy it to some other list that isn't discarded, and we also copy its replacement (and relocate it eagerly, since we'll lose the offset).

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-10  2:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-10  1:06 [patch RFC 0/5] x86/spectre_v2: Initial integration of IBRS into the spectre_v2 mechanics Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 1/5] x86/CPU: Sync CPU feature flags late Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:37   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-10  1:39     ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10  1:47       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  2:57         ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-01-10 11:02           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:44     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  6:20     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10 11:33       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-10 12:38         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 2/5] x86/spectre: Simplify spectre code a bit Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  6:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 3/5] x86/spectre: Prepare for IBRS selection Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:51   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 4/5] x86/cpufeatures: Detect Speculation control feature Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  6:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10 11:06     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  1:06 ` [patch RFC 5/5] x86/speculation: Add basic speculation control code Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10  2:02   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-10  4:11     ` Justin Forbes
2018-01-10  9:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10  9:27       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 10:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10 11:22           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 11:41             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10 11:45             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10 11:54         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 11:58           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 12:01             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:07               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:12                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 12:20                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:27                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:42                     ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 12:09               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 12:17                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:29                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 12:41                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:47                       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-10 12:51                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 13:02                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:05                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:10                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:12                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 12:57                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:07                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 13:45                             ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 13:52                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:53                                 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 21:35                                   ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 22:13                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 13:46                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10 13:51                               ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 13:53                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-10 13:58                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 14:10                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 14:14                                 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-10 14:59                                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-10 15:13                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 15:24                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 15:47                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-10 15:56                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-10 13:10                           ` Jiri Kosina

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