From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A76EB64DB for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 03:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230216AbjFTDsW (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Jun 2023 23:48:22 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:33136 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229655AbjFTDsT (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Jun 2023 23:48:19 -0400 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEC6610C2; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 20:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DF05C012E; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 23:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 19 Jun 2023 23:48:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-id:content-type :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t=1687232895; x= 1687319295; bh=xI+HWMRw7XVVtgixtdwauRUMQmYd0Nzo4WiW1Ge+RQw=; b=W QjDDOrisyOq1KjmhI95oLLAwm8yWKfG63eZKVJHHEwbnz6ZcnRP21WiFsKu+hKiL dBAHZiPs4FYNu6cbFKrCovGdTMNo58g/X6fX/AfCYYog28yjig8nJz/L8pum+BQy dSTi9iAtmW1Wq2yJv1RNPc1iVkZuahvJwq7Py8MA8XF2yr97HeEuHXBTV19yLHpz A5UGbOm9bnjRsmHcQibevWCDsMeoZTHJACRb+5jB1/tGHpNllM292hH3+4rutwJc IJPVA5+izBZyTWJMSPlFLw7nCgrKDnHW7pUQA5+zTOGRqD7goWT6TZqbKsoGyMqv u85jPPsFHumFxkKF7sXnQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrgeefgedgfedvucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvfevufgjkfhfgggtsehmtderredttdejnecuhfhrohhmpefhihhnnhcu vfhhrghinhcuoehfthhhrghinheslhhinhhugidqmheikehkrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrg htthgvrhhnpeelfeeklefggfetkedukeevfffgvdeuheetffekledtfeejteelieejteeh geelieenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpe hfthhhrghinheslhhinhhugidqmheikehkrdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i58a146ae:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 23:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 13:48:59 +1000 (AEST) From: Finn Thain To: Greg Kroah-Hartman cc: Jonathan Corbet , tech-board-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org, Theodore Ts'o , Kees Cook , Dan Williams , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: Linux Contribution Maturity Model and the wider community In-Reply-To: <2023061946-latitude-negligent-e4ae@gregkh> Message-ID: <99b5fc04-798d-a235-c001-fb444e78ada9@linux-m68k.org> References: <2023061946-latitude-negligent-e4ae@gregkh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="-1463811774-175744949-1687222626=:26354" Content-ID: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1463811774-175744949-1687222626=:26354 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: <9cbc14d3-d22d-85c2-f488-70e94b9d5dfd@nippy.intranet> On Mon, 19 Jun 2023, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 07:41:57PM +1000, Finn Thain wrote: > > @@ -103,7 +103,6 @@ Level 5 > > =20 > > * Upstream kernel development is considered a formal job position, wit= h > > at least a third of the engineer=E2=80=99s time spent doing Upstream= Work. > > -* Organizations will actively seek out community member feedback as a > > - factor in official performance reviews. >=20 > Why are you removing this? I write more performance reviews now than I= =20 > have have in my life, all for companies that I do NOT work for. That's= =20 > a good thing as it shows these orginizations value the feedback of the=20 > community as a reflection on how well those employees are doing at their= =20 > assigned job. Why are you removing that very valid thing? >=20 I'm not preventing that. That's covered by level 4 and my patch only=20 alters level 3 and level 5. Bonuses and salaries are tied to performance reviews so the hazard here=20 are clear. Level 5 compels companies to seek feedback and naturally they=20 will seek it from companies who share their goals. You ask too much of=20 employees if you expect them to put aside the corporate agendas and pursue= =20 the interests of the wider community. Countless lawsuits over the last few decades made it abundantly clear that= =20 the goals of companies often diverge from those of the wider FLOSS=20 community. Consider all of the open source code thrown over the wall, the binary=20 blobs, the binary modules, the built-in obsolescence, the devices shipped= =20 with vulnerabilities now reduced to e-waste because they cannot be fixed,= =20 the vendor lock-in strategies, the walled gardens, the surveillance etc. To my jaded mind, it is obvious that such reprehensible strategies can be= =20 advanced by co-operative employees given inducements from colluding=20 companies. My patch won't prevent this sort of behaviour but it does=20 remove a directive that would help facilitate it. Greg, if you want to see more performance reviews, the maturity model=20 could compel companies to provide unsolicited feedback, instead of seek it= =20 from an arbitrary source. Would you be amenable to a revised patch along=20 those lines? ---1463811774-175744949-1687222626=:26354--