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From: "Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>
To: "peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>, "Christopherson,,
	Sean" <seanjc@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 06/20] x86/virt/tdx: Shut down TDX module in case of error
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 09:39:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9b4c8ecd3c26fc51d0c135aeb197f5bd58625365.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y30jmKOOsvtzt6UT@google.com>

On Tue, 2022-11-22 at 19:31 +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 04:06:25PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 22 2022 at 10:20, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 01:26:28PM +1300, Kai Huang wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Shutting down the TDX module requires calling TDH.SYS.LP.SHUTDOWN on all
> > > > > BIOS-enabled CPUs, and the SEMACALL can run concurrently on different
> > > > > CPUs.  Implement a mechanism to run SEAMCALL concurrently on all online
> > > > > CPUs and use it to shut down the module.  Later logical-cpu scope module
> > > > > initialization will use it too.
> > > > 
> > > > Uhh, those requirements ^ are not met by this:
> > > 
> > >   Can run concurrently != Must run concurrently
> > >  
> > > The documentation clearly says "can run concurrently" as quoted above.
> > 
> > The next sentense says: "Implement a mechanism to run SEAMCALL
> > concurrently" -- it does not.
> > 
> > Anyway, since we're all in agreement there is no such requirement at
> > all, a schedule_on_each_cpu() might be more appropriate, there is no
> > reason to use IPIs and spin-waiting for any of this.
> 
> Backing up a bit, what's the reason for _any_ of this?  The changelog says
> 
>   It's pointless to leave the TDX module in some middle state.
> 
> but IMO it's just as pointless to do a shutdown unless the kernel benefits in
> some meaningful way.  And IIUC, TDH.SYS.LP.SHUTDOWN does nothing more than change
> the SEAM VMCS.HOST_RIP to point to an error trampoline.  E.g. it's not like doing
> a shutdown lets the kernel reclaim memory that was gifted to the TDX module.

The metadata memory has been freed back to the kernel in case of error before
shutting down the module.

> 
> In other words, this is just a really expensive way of changing a function pointer,
> and the only way it would ever benefit the kernel is if there is a kernel bug that
> leads to trying to use TDX after a fatal error.  And even then, the only difference
> seems to be that subsequent bogus SEAMCALLs would get a more unique error message.

The only issue of leaving module open is like you said bogus SEAMCALLs can still
be made.  There's a slight risk that those SEAMCALLs may actually be able to do
something that may crash the kernel (i.e. if the module is shut down due to
TDH.SYS.INIT.TDMR error, then further bogus TDH.SYS.INIT.TDMR can still corrupt
the metadata).

But, this belongs to "kernel bug" or "kernel is under attack" category.  Neither
of them should be a concern of TDX: host kernel is out of TCB, and preventing
DoS attack is not part of TDX anyway.

Also, in case of kexec(), we cannot shut down the module either (in this
implementation, due to CPU may not be in VMX operation when kexec()).

So I agree with you, it's fine to not shut down the module.

Hi maintainers, does this look good to you?

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-23  9:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-21  0:26 [PATCH v7 00/20] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 01/20] x86/tdx: Define TDX supported page sizes as macros Kai Huang
2022-11-21  2:52   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:15     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 17:23       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 18:12     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21 23:48   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:01     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 02/20] x86/virt/tdx: Detect TDX during kernel boot Kai Huang
2022-11-21  3:07   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:37     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:57       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-22  0:10   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 11:28     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 16:50       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 23:21         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 03/20] x86/virt/tdx: Disable TDX if X2APIC is not enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21  3:51   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:44     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 22:00       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 23:40         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:46   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:30     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22  0:44       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:58         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to initialize TDX on demand Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 10:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 15:35       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 20:03         ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 20:11           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  0:30           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  1:12             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 11:05             ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23 12:22               ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:05   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:18     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:58       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 21:58         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 05/20] x86/virt/tdx: Implement functions to make SEAMCALL Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  8:53     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:20   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:43     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 06/20] x86/virt/tdx: Shut down TDX module in case of error Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22  9:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:14     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:24         ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  1:14             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-29 21:40             ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 11:09               ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23  0:58           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  1:04             ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23  1:22               ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:20                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 16:41                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 17:37                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 18:18                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 19:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-22  9:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:06     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 19:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:31         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  9:39           ` Huang, Kai [this message]
2022-11-22 15:20     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 16:52       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 18:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  1:24       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do TDX module global initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-22 19:14   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:45     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 08/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do logical-cpu scope TDX module initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 09/20] x86/virt/tdx: Get information about TDX module and TDX-capable memory Kai Huang
2022-11-22 23:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:40     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:44       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 22:53         ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:19           ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:25             ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:57               ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:11     ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:06       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:56         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 10/20] x86/virt/tdx: Use all system memory when initializing TDX module as TDX memory Kai Huang
2022-11-21  5:37   ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-21  9:09     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22  1:54       ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22  9:16         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  0:47           ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22 10:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 11:40     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  0:21   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23  9:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24  1:04     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  1:22       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24  2:27         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  1:50   ` Dan Williams
2022-11-24  9:06     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  9:28       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  8:38         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28  8:43           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  9:21             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28  9:26               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  9:50                 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  9:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24 10:02       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 22:26         ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 11/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add placeholder to construct TDMRs to cover all TDX memory regions Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:17   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24  9:51     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24 12:02     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 15:59       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:13         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:19           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:50             ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-07 11:47               ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 12:56                 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 14:58                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-08 23:29                     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 12/20] x86/virt/tdx: Create " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:41   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:29     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 13/20] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate and set up PAMTs for TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:46     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 16:39       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:48         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:56           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:14             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 14/20] x86/virt/tdx: Set up reserved areas for all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28  9:14     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 13:18       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:24         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:58           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:10             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 15/20] x86/virt/tdx: Reserve TDX module global KeyID Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:40   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:39     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 16/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure TDX module with TDMRs and " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:56   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  0:59     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  1:18       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  1:44         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages Kai Huang
2022-11-24  0:28   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:28     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  0:08       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30  3:35   ` Binbin Wu
2022-11-30  8:34     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 14:04       ` kirill.shutemov
2022-11-30 15:13       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 20:17         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 17:37   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 18/20] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-24  0:42   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  2:27     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 19/20] x86/virt/tdx: Flush cache in kexec() when TDX is enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 20/20] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX host support Kai Huang

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