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From: Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] introduce sched-idle balancing
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:46:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9fe00f72-4e2e-38ff-d64a-4ae41e683316@bytedance.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YheiT2pGNDggdFSu@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hi Peter,

On 2/24/22 11:20 PM, Peter Zijlstra Wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 11:43:56PM +0800, Abel Wu wrote:
>> Current load balancing is mainly based on cpu capacity
>> and task util, which makes sense in the POV of overall
>> throughput. While there still might be some improvement
>> can be done by reducing number of overloaded cfs rqs if
>> sched-idle or idle rq exists.
> 
> I'm much confused, there is an explicit new-idle balancer and a periodic
> idle balancer already there.

The two balancers are triggered on the rqs that have no tasks on them,
and load_balance() seems don't show a preference for non-idle tasks so
there might be possibility that only idle tasks are pulled during load
balance while overloaded rqs (rq->cfs.h_nr_running > 1) exist. As a
result the normal tasks, mostly latency-critical ones in our case, on
that overloaded rq still suffer waiting for each other. I observed this
through perf sched.

IOW the main difference from the POV of load_balance() between the
latency-critical tasks and the idle ones is load.

The sched-idle balancer is triggered on the sched-idle rqs periodically
and the newly-idle ones. It does a 'fast' pull of non-idle tasks from
the overloaded rqs to the sched-idle/idle ones to let the non-idle tasks
make full use of cpu resources.

The sched-idle balancer only focuses on non-idle tasks' performance, so
it can introduce overall load imbalance, and that's why I put it before
load_balance().

Best Regards,
	Abel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-02-25  6:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-17 15:43 [RFC PATCH 0/5] introduce sched-idle balancing Abel Wu
2022-02-17 15:43 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] sched/fair: record overloaded cpus Abel Wu
2022-02-24  7:10   ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2022-02-24 14:36     ` Abel Wu
2022-02-27  8:08     ` Aubrey Li
2022-02-17 15:43 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] sched/fair: introduce sched-idle balance Abel Wu
2022-02-17 15:43 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] sched/fair: add stats for sched-idle balancing Abel Wu
2022-02-17 15:44 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] sched/fair: filter out overloaded cpus in sis Abel Wu
2022-02-17 15:44 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: favor cpu capacity for idle tasks Abel Wu
2022-02-24  3:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] introduce sched-idle balancing Abel Wu
2022-02-24 15:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-24 15:29   ` Vincent Guittot
2022-02-25  6:51     ` Abel Wu
2022-02-25  6:46   ` Abel Wu [this message]
2022-02-25  8:29     ` Vincent Guittot
2022-02-25 10:46       ` Abel Wu
2022-02-25 13:15         ` Vincent Guittot
2022-02-24 16:47 ` Mel Gorman
2022-02-25  8:15   ` Abel Wu
2022-02-25 10:16     ` Mel Gorman
2022-02-25 13:20       ` Abel Wu
2022-03-02  0:41         ` Josh Don

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