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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: temperature standard - global config option?
Date: 9 Jun 2001 00:55:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9fskpu$nh6$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200106082116.f58LGd2497562@saturn.cs.uml.edu> <B7471019.F9CF%bootc@worldnet.fr>

Followup to:  <B7471019.F9CF%bootc@worldnet.fr>
By author:    Chris Boot <bootc@worldnet.fr>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> 
> Well then, tell all the teachers in this world that they're stupid, and tell
> everyone who learnt from them as well.  I'm in high school (gd. 11, junior)
> and my physics teacher is always screaming at us for putting too many
> decimal places or having them inconsistent.  There are certain situations
> where adding a ±1 is too cumbersome and / or clumsy, so you can specify the
> accuracy using just decimal places.
> 

This, again, is a presentation issue, and is irrelevant to the
intricacies of fixed-point arithmetric.

> For example, 5.00 would mean pretty much spot on 5 (anywhere from 4.995 to
> 5.00499), wheras 5 could mean anywhere from 4.5 to 5.499.
> 
> Please, let's quit this dumb argument.  We all know that thermistors and
> other types of cheap temperature gauges are very inaccurate, and I don't
> think expensive thermocouples will make it into computer sensors very soon.
> Plus, who the hell could care whether their chip is at 45.4 or 45.5 degrees?
> Does it really matter?  A difference of 0.1 will not decide whether your
> chip will fry.

Does it really matter NOW?  No.  However, 1 cK is a convenient unit
and a good use of bits.  Can we guarantee it won't matter in the
future, especially not on a CPU which may very well require complex
algorithms to eke out optimal performance in a thermally-challenged
environment (more than just simple trip points.)  Now it gets
interesting!  I have actually seen, in the lab, an algorithm which
required complex guesswork, because it required information below the
noise level of the sensor (and yes, it *is* possible to obtain that
information.)

	-hpa
-- 
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"Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot."
http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt

  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-09  7:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-06 12:27 temperature standard - global config option? David N. Welton
2001-06-06 13:50 ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-06 16:06   ` Chris Boot
2001-06-06 16:16     ` Peter Svensson
2001-06-06 16:58       ` Bill Pringlemeir
2001-06-06 20:47       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-06-06 21:40         ` Kipp Cannon
2001-06-06 23:02           ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2001-06-06 23:27             ` David Flynn
2001-06-08 20:04           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]       ` <9fm4sc@cesium.transmeta.com>
2001-06-08 20:06         ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-06 19:32     ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-06-06 21:45       ` es1371 compile issue in 2.4.5-ac9 Alan Olsen
2001-06-07 15:14         ` Keith Owens
2001-06-07 18:27           ` Alan Olsen
2001-06-06 19:44     ` temperature standard - global config option? José Luis Domingo López
2001-06-07  3:50       ` watermodem
2001-06-06 20:42     ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-06 21:52       ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-07 10:05         ` Philips
2001-06-07 12:20           ` L. K.
2001-06-07 16:44             ` David Rees
2001-06-07 21:37               ` Chris Boot
2001-06-08  0:03                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-08  0:54                   ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-06-07 21:02             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-07 21:23               ` L. K.
2001-06-07 21:30                 ` mirabilos {Thorsten Glaser}
2001-06-08  1:21                   ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-06-08 11:30                     ` Thomas Speck
2001-06-08 17:33                     ` Chris Boot
2001-06-08 18:05                       ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-06-08 18:43                         ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-08 18:56                           ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-06-08 19:00                             ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-08 21:16                         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-08 21:22                           ` L. K.
2001-06-08 21:38                             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-08 21:28                           ` Chris Boot
2001-06-09  7:55                             ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2001-06-21 11:18                             ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-21 15:39                               ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-06-08 23:16                           ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-06-08 23:53                             ` John Chris Wren
2001-06-09  3:52                               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-09  7:58                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-06-09  9:17                                   ` James Sutherland
2001-06-09 15:06                                     ` Charles Cazabon
2001-06-09  0:13                             ` Bill Pringlemeir
2001-06-09 10:11                               ` L. K.
2001-06-09 10:20                                 ` Steffen Persvold
2001-06-09 17:21                                 ` Chris Boot
2001-06-09  5:45                             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-09  7:57                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-06-09  8:00                             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-09  8:43                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-06-21  7:33                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-06-08  6:48                   ` L. K.
2001-06-06 14:06 ` john slee
2001-06-06 19:19   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-06 19:01 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-06-06 19:08 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-06 19:26   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-06 21:00     ` Paul Fulghum
2001-06-06 21:01     ` Harald Arnesen
2001-06-06 21:05       ` Alan Cox
2001-06-07 10:43         ` David N. Welton
2001-06-06 20:45   ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-06 21:04     ` Alan Cox
2001-06-07 22:10 Chris Adams
2001-06-08 21:33 Leif Sawyer
2001-06-08 23:50 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-06-09  9:30 ` L. K.
2001-06-21 12:06 Randal, Phil
2001-06-21 12:56 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-21 12:45 Richard J Moore
2001-06-21 16:59 ` Lauri Tischler
2001-06-21 19:14 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-06-21 20:19   ` Lauri Tischler

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