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From: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
To: Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>, Kenneth Lee <nek.in.cn@gmail.com>
Cc: Hao Fang <fanghao11@huawei.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
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	Philippe Ombredanne <pombredanne@nexb.com>,
	Zaibo Xu <xuzaibo@huawei.com>,
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Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH 0/7] A General Accelerator Framework, WarpDrive
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 02:33:12 +0000
Message-ID: <AADFC41AFE54684AB9EE6CBC0274A5D191290E1A@SHSMSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180801165644.GA3820@redhat.com>

> From: Jerome Glisse
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 12:57 AM
> 
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 06:22:14PM +0800, Kenneth Lee wrote:
> > From: Kenneth Lee <liguozhu@hisilicon.com>
> >
> > WarpDrive is an accelerator framework to expose the hardware
> capabilities
> > directly to the user space. It makes use of the exist vfio and vfio-mdev
> > facilities. So the user application can send request and DMA to the
> > hardware without interaction with the kernel. This remove the latency
> > of syscall and context switch.
> >
> > The patchset contains documents for the detail. Please refer to it for
> more
> > information.
> >
> > This patchset is intended to be used with Jean Philippe Brucker's SVA
> > patch [1] (Which is also in RFC stage). But it is not mandatory. This
> > patchset is tested in the latest mainline kernel without the SVA patches.
> > So it support only one process for each accelerator.
> >
> > With SVA support, WarpDrive can support multi-process in the same
> > accelerator device.  We tested it in our SoC integrated Accelerator (board
> > ID: D06, Chip ID: HIP08). A reference work tree can be found here: [2].
> 
> I have not fully inspected things nor do i know enough about
> this Hisilicon ZIP accelerator to ascertain, but from glimpsing
> at the code it seems that it is unsafe to use even with SVA due
> to the doorbell. There is a comment talking about safetyness
> in patch 7.
> 
> Exposing thing to userspace is always enticing, but if it is
> a security risk then it should clearly say so and maybe a
> kernel boot flag should be necessary to allow such device to
> be use.
> 
> 
> My more general question is do we want to grow VFIO to become
> a more generic device driver API. This patchset adds a command
> queue concept to it (i don't think it exist today but i have
> not follow VFIO closely).
> 
> Why is that any better that existing driver model ? Where a
> device create a device file (can be character device, block
> device, ...). Such models also allow for direct hardware
> access from userspace. For instance see the AMD KFD driver
> inside drivers/gpu/drm/amd

One motivation I guess, is that most accelerators lack of a 
well-abstracted high level APIs similar to GPU side (e.g. OpenCL 
clearly defines Shared Virtual Memory models). VFIO mdev
might be an alternative common interface to enable SVA usages 
on various accelerators...

> 
> So you can already do what you are doing with the Hisilicon
> driver today without this new infrastructure. This only need
> hardware that have command queue and doorbell like mechanisms.
> 
> 
> Unlike mdev which unify a very high level concept, it seems
> to me spimdev just introduce low level concept (namely command
> queue) and i don't see the intrinsic value here.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Jérôme
> _______________________________________________
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> iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu

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Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-01 10:22 Kenneth Lee
2018-08-01 10:22 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] vfio/spimdev: Add documents for WarpDrive framework Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02  3:14   ` Tian, Kevin
2018-08-02  4:22     ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02  4:41       ` Tian, Kevin
2018-08-06 12:27   ` Pavel Machek
2018-08-08  1:43     ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-01 10:22 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] iommu: Add share domain interface in iommu for spimdev Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02  3:17   ` Tian, Kevin
2018-08-02  4:15     ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02  4:39       ` Tian, Kevin
2018-08-08  9:13   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-08-09  1:09     ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-01 10:22 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] vfio: add spimdev support Kenneth Lee
2018-08-01 16:23   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-08-02  3:07     ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02  3:21   ` Tian, Kevin
2018-08-02  3:47     ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02  4:24       ` Tian, Kevin
2018-08-02  7:34         ` Kenneth Lee
     [not found]           ` <20180802103528.0b863030.cohuck@redhat.com>
     [not found]             ` <20180802124327.403b10ab@t450s.home>
2018-08-06  1:40               ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-06 15:49                 ` Alex Williamson
2018-08-06 16:34                   ` Raj, Ashok
2018-08-06 17:05                     ` Alex Williamson
2018-08-08  1:32                       ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-01 10:22 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] crypto: add hisilicon Queue Manager driver Kenneth Lee
2018-08-01 10:22 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] crypto: Add Hisilicon Zip driver Kenneth Lee
2018-08-01 10:22 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] crypto: add spimdev support to Hisilicon QM Kenneth Lee
2018-08-01 10:22 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] vfio/spimdev: add user sample for spimdev Kenneth Lee
2018-08-01 16:56 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] A General Accelerator Framework, WarpDrive Jerome Glisse
2018-08-02  2:33   ` Tian, Kevin [this message]
2018-08-02  4:05     ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02 14:22       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-03  3:47         ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-03 14:39           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-06  3:12             ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-06 15:32               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-08  1:08                 ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-08 15:18                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-09  8:03                     ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-09  8:31                       ` Tian, Kevin
2018-08-10  1:37                         ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-09 14:46                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-10  3:39                         ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-10 13:12                           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-08-11 15:26                             ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-13  9:29                               ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-13 19:23                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-14  3:46                                   ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-10 14:32                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-11 14:44                             ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02 10:10     ` Alan Cox
2018-08-02 12:24       ` Xu Zaibo
2018-08-02 14:46       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-03 14:20         ` Alan Cox
2018-08-03 14:55           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-06  1:26           ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02  2:59 ` Tian, Kevin
2018-08-02  3:40   ` Kenneth Lee
2018-08-02  4:36     ` Tian, Kevin
2018-08-02  5:35       ` Kenneth Lee

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