From: Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>
To: Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 23:47:10 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTiniEUdADMHUE1a9Fs1bGsWn6F6yeJX_NO4L94JK@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikrc+_r1KE477c-NeD-9PWDOXx1ExHGm08Lm6wM@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org> wrote:
> So if it's a heuristic the OS can get wrong, wouldn't it be a good
> idea to support a way for programs and/or interactive users to
> explicitly specify things?
Consider a multi-user machine. `nice` is an orthogonal concern in that
case. Therefore, fixing nice doesn't address all issues. Also: Most
linux systems are multi-user (root and the physical tty user.)
Further, even a single user wears multiple hats on a single system.
The idea is to infer those hats, and deal with them fairly.
No one is taking nice away from you. Keep using it if you like.
If you want to allow users to explicitly specify group scheduling,
then good news: we already have that feature. You just seem to not be
using it. Much like the other 99.993% of us.
The kernel is supposed to have *sane defaults*. That's what is under
discussion here.
~r.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-12-05 7:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 323+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-19 9:16 [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19 9:39 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 9:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19 9:46 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21 7:55 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21 10:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19 9:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19 9:42 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 11:29 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 11:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-19 13:12 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 15:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-10-19 18:13 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-19 18:53 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-20 2:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-21 8:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21 8:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-21 8:39 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21 8:48 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-10-21 8:52 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <20101021115723.GA1587@arch.trippelsdorf.de>
2010-10-21 16:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-21 10:51 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-21 11:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-21 16:29 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-10-21 19:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-26 7:07 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] " Mike Galbraith
2010-10-26 7:29 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-26 15:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-10-27 1:58 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 15:26 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 18:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-11 18:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-11 19:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 19:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-11 20:29 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-11 19:15 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-11 19:35 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 19:38 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-11 19:58 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-11 20:27 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-11 22:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-12 18:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-13 11:42 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-14 17:19 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-14 17:49 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-14 18:10 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-14 19:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-14 20:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-14 20:27 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-14 20:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-14 23:43 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 0:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-15 0:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-15 1:13 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 3:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-15 14:00 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 11:32 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 11:46 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 12:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-15 21:25 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 22:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 1:56 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 2:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-17 8:06 ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-16 14:02 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 14:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 14:47 ` Dhaval Giani
2010-11-16 17:03 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 17:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 18:16 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 18:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 18:33 ` Paul Menage
2010-11-16 18:55 ` david
2010-11-16 18:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 19:09 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 19:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 19:22 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 19:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 19:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 19:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 19:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 19:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 20:03 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 20:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 19:03 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-11-16 20:21 ` Kay Sievers
2010-11-16 20:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 20:31 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 13:21 ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-16 19:08 ` david
2010-11-16 20:33 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 20:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 21:14 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 13:23 ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-18 22:33 ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2010-11-18 23:12 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-18 23:35 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-18 23:43 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-18 23:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 0:02 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 0:07 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 11:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 14:24 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 14:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 14:55 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 0:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 0:59 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 1:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 1:12 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-19 1:23 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 2:28 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-19 9:02 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 11:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 12:55 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-19 13:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 13:20 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-19 12:31 ` Paul Menage
2010-11-19 12:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 13:03 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-19 12:38 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-22 6:22 ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-18 23:29 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 20:44 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-11-16 19:27 ` Dhaval Giani
2010-11-16 19:42 ` Diego Calleja
2010-11-16 19:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 19:56 ` Paul Menage
2010-11-16 20:17 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 20:50 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-20 22:16 ` Mika Laitio
2010-11-21 0:19 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 20:28 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 20:46 ` David Miller
2010-11-16 21:08 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 21:14 ` David Miller
2010-11-16 20:52 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-16 21:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 21:19 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 23:39 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17 0:21 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 2:06 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17 14:57 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-17 15:01 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 17:16 ` John Stoffel
2010-11-19 5:20 ` Andev
2010-11-19 11:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 13:03 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-19 13:07 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-19 16:29 ` David Miller
2010-11-19 16:34 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-19 16:43 ` David Miller
2010-11-19 17:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 19:12 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-19 19:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-20 1:33 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-19 20:38 ` Paul Menage
2010-11-20 1:13 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-20 4:25 ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-20 15:41 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-22 6:24 ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-22 19:21 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-19 19:31 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-19 13:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 22:34 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 22:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 22:45 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 22:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18 15:00 ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-17 23:49 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 21:17 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-17 20:59 ` James Cloos
2010-11-22 6:16 ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-16 18:57 ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-16 19:12 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-16 19:57 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 20:36 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 19:42 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-16 18:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 18:56 ` Stephen Clark
2010-11-16 20:05 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-11-16 20:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-19 0:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-19 0:42 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-19 3:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20101120090955.GB12043@balbir.in.ibm.com>
2010-11-20 19:47 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 13:04 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-16 14:18 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 15:03 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-16 15:41 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 17:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-16 17:42 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-20 19:35 ` [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session " Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 15:39 ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Add 'autogroup' scheduling feature: " tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2010-12-15 17:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-16 7:53 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-16 14:09 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-16 15:07 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-01-04 14:18 ` [tip:sched/core] sched, autogroup: Fix potential access to freed memory tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2010-12-20 13:08 ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Add 'autogroup' scheduling feature: automated per session task groups Bharata B Rao
2010-12-20 13:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-20 15:46 ` Bharata B Rao
2010-12-20 15:53 ` Bharata B Rao
2010-12-21 8:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-20 16:39 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-21 5:04 ` Bharata B Rao
2010-12-21 5:50 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-04 17:39 ` [PATCH v4] sched: " Colin Walters
2010-12-04 18:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-12-04 20:01 ` Colin Walters
2010-12-04 22:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-12-04 23:43 ` Colin Walters
2010-12-05 0:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-12-05 7:47 ` Ray Lee [this message]
2010-12-05 19:22 ` Colin Walters
2010-12-05 20:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-12-05 22:47 ` Colin Walters
2010-12-05 22:58 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-12-05 23:05 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-12-07 18:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-05 10:18 ` Con Kolivas
2010-12-05 11:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-05 20:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-12-04 23:31 ` david
2010-12-05 11:11 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-12-05 15:12 ` [PATCH v4] Regression: " Alan Cox
2010-12-05 16:16 ` Florian Mickler
2010-12-05 19:48 ` Alan Cox
2010-12-06 16:03 ` Florian Mickler
2010-12-05 16:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-05 17:09 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-05 17:15 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-06 0:28 ` [PATCH v4] " Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-16 14:01 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty " Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 14:19 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-17 1:31 ` Kyle McMartin
2010-11-17 1:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-17 1:56 ` Kyle McMartin
2010-11-17 2:14 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 0:02 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 22:41 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-15 23:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-20 19:33 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-20 19:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-20 20:37 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-20 22:02 ` Konstantin Svist
2010-11-20 22:15 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-20 22:18 ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2010-11-20 20:25 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-15 23:46 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-15 23:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 0:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 1:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-16 1:55 ` Paul Menage
2010-11-16 12:58 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-16 18:25 ` Paul Menage
2010-11-16 13:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 14:26 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-10-21 11:27 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH] " Mike Galbraith
2010-10-20 13:55 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-10-20 14:41 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-21 13:37 [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session " Ingo Molnar
2010-11-21 13:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-21 15:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-21 16:35 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-21 16:15 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-21 18:43 ` Gene Heskett
2010-11-25 16:00 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-28 14:24 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-28 19:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-28 20:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 11:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-29 12:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 13:45 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-29 13:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 14:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-29 16:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-29 16:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 17:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-29 18:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:06 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-29 19:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 3:39 ` Paul Turner
2010-11-30 4:14 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 4:23 ` Paul Turner
2010-11-30 13:18 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 13:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-30 13:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 14:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 16:41 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 15:17 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-11-30 17:13 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 19:36 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-12-01 5:01 ` Américo Wang
2010-12-01 6:09 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-01 11:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-01 22:12 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-12-01 5:57 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-01 11:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-12-01 11:55 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-01 14:55 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-12-01 15:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 7:54 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-30 14:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 14:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 15:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-30 15:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-30 16:28 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-29 5:45 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-01 3:39 ` Paul Turner
2010-12-01 3:39 ` Paul Turner
2010-12-01 6:16 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-03 5:11 ` Paul Turner
2010-12-03 6:48 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-12-03 8:37 ` Paul Turner
2010-12-04 23:55 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2010-12-05 5:11 ` Paul Turner
2010-12-07 11:32 ` Paul Turner
2010-12-15 12:10 ` Paul Turner
2010-12-01 11:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
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