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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Arne Jansen <lists@die-jansens.de>,
	mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	efault@gmx.de, npiggin@kernel.dk, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	frank.rowand@am.sony.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [debug patch] printk: Add a printk killswitch to robustify NMI watchdog messages
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:27:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTim8LY0ekPQNZasUbinKcvS78y_umw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110608191758.GA12457@elte.hu>

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> Hm, the no-wakeup aspect seems rather useful.

I like the patch, but I would like to get it much better abstracted
out. Make some kind of

  void atomic_down();
  int atomic_down_trylock();
  void atomic_up();

interfaces that basically get the semaphore in an "atomic" mode that
leaves the semaphore spinlock locked in the locked region.

So they would basically be spinlocks that can then be mixed with
normal sleeping semaphore usage.

> Could we perhaps remove console_sem and replace it with a mutex and
> do something like this with a mutex and its ->wait_lock?

That would be horrible.

The reason it works well for semaphores is that the semaphores have no
architecture-specific fast-path any more, and everything is done
within the spinlock.

With a mutex? Not good. We have several different mutex
implementations, along with fastpaths that never touch the spinlock at
all etc. And that is very much on purpose, because the spinlock
approach is noticeably slower and needs more atomic accesses. In
contrast, the semaphores are "legacy interfaces" and aren't considered
high-performance locking any more.

                      Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-08 19:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-05 15:23 [PATCH 00/21] sched: Reduce runqueue lock contention -v6 Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 01/21] sched: Provide scheduler_ipi() callback in response to smp_send_reschedule() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-13 21:15   ` Tony Luck
2011-04-13 21:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:31   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 02/21] sched: Always provide p->on_cpu Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:31   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 03/21] mutex: Use p->on_cpu for the adaptive spin Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:32   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 04/21] sched: Change the ttwu success details Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-13  9:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-13 10:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-13 11:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-13 18:39         ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-13 19:11           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:32   ` [tip:sched/locking] sched: Change the ttwu() " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 05/21] sched: Clean up ttwu stats Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:33   ` [tip:sched/locking] sched: Clean up ttwu() stats tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 06/21] sched: Provide p->on_rq Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:33   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 07/21] sched: Serialize p->cpus_allowed and ttwu() using p->pi_lock Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:34   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 08/21] sched: Drop the rq argument to sched_class::select_task_rq() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:34   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 09/21] sched: Remove rq argument to sched_class::task_waking() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:35   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 10/21] sched: Deal with non-atomic min_vruntime reads on 32bits Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:35   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 11/21] sched: Delay task_contributes_to_load() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:35   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 12/21] sched: Also serialize ttwu_local() with p->pi_lock Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:36   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 13/21] sched: Add p->pi_lock to task_rq_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:36   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-01 13:58     ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-01 16:35       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-01 17:20         ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-01 18:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-01 18:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-01 19:30               ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-01 21:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-03  9:15                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-03 10:02                     ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-03 10:30                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-03 11:52                         ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05  8:17                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05  8:53                           ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05  9:41                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05  9:45                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05  9:43                           ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05  9:55                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 10:22                               ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 11:01                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 11:19                                   ` [debug patch] printk: Add a printk killswitch to robustify NMI watchdog messages Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 11:36                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 11:57                                       ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 13:39                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 13:54                                           ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 14:06                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 14:45                                               ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 14:10                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 14:31                                               ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 15:13                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 15:26                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 15:32                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 16:07                                                       ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 16:35                                                         ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 16:50                                                           ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 17:20                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 17:42                                                               ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 18:59                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 19:30                                                                   ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 19:44                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-05 20:15                                                                       ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-06  6:56                                                                         ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-06  9:01                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06  9:18                                                                           ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-06  9:24                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06  9:52                                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 10:00                                                                           ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-06 10:26                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 13:25                                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 15:04                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 15:08                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 17:44                                                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2011-06-07  5:20                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2011-06-06 13:10                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 13:12                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 13:21                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 13:31                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06  7:34                                                     ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05 15:34                                                   ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-06  8:38                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 14:58                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 15:09                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 15:47                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 15:52                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 16:00                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 16:08                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 16:12                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 16:17                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 16:38                                                                     ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-06 16:45                                                                       ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-06 16:53                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 17:07                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 17:11                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-08 15:50                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-08 19:17                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-08 19:27                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2011-06-08 20:32                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-08 20:53                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-08 20:54                                                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-06-08 19:45                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-08 20:52                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-08 21:49                                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-08 21:57                                                                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-06-06 16:44                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 16:50                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 17:13                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 17:04                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 17:11                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 17:57                                                                         ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-06 18:07                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-06 18:14                                                                             ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-06 18:19                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-06 22:08                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-03 12:44                       ` [tip:sched/locking] sched: Add p->pi_lock to task_rq_lock() Linus Torvalds
2011-06-03 13:05                         ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-04 21:29                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-04 22:08                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-04 22:50                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-05  6:01                               ` Arne Jansen
2011-06-05  7:57                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 14/21] sched: Drop rq->lock from first part of wake_up_new_task() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:37   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 15/21] sched: Drop rq->lock from sched_exec() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:37   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 16/21] sched: Remove rq->lock from the first half of ttwu() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:38   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 17/21] sched: Remove rq argument from ttwu_stat() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:38   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 18/21] sched: Rename ttwu_post_activation Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:39   ` [tip:sched/locking] sched: Rename ttwu_post_activation() to ttwu_do_wakeup() tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 19/21] sched: Restructure ttwu some more Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:39   ` [tip:sched/locking] sched: Restructure ttwu() " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 20/21] sched: Move the second half of ttwu() to the remote cpu Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:39   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 21/21] sched: Remove need_migrate_task() Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-14  8:40   ` [tip:sched/locking] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 15:59 ` [PATCH 00/21] sched: Reduce runqueue lock contention -v6 Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-06 11:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-27 16:54 ` Dave Kleikamp

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