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From: "Li, Xin3" <xin3.li@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"bp@alien8.de" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>, "Christopherson,,
	Sean" <seanjc@google.com>, "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [RESEND PATCH 5/6] KVM: x86/VMX: add kvm_vmx_reinject_nmi_irq() for NMI/IRQ reinjection
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 06:35:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BN6PR1101MB216163B12055F02E8C54D2BFA8039@BN6PR1101MB2161.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y26jkHfK9INwU7Yy@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

> > > So instead of fixing it, they made it worse :-(
> > >
> > > And now FRED is arguably making it worse again, and people wonder
> > > why I hate virt...
> >
> > Maybe I take it wrong, but FRED doesn't make anything worse. Fred
> > entry code will call external_interrupt() immediately for IRQs.
> 
> But what about NMIs, afaict this is all horribly broken for NMIs.

NMIs are NOT handled by external_interrupt(), which is introduced in patch 4.

The NMI handling is added to kvm_vmx_reinject_nmi_irq() in patch 5 purely for VMX only.

> 
> So the whole VMX thing latches the NMI (which stops NMI recursion), right?
> 
> But then you drop out of noinstr code, which means any random exception can
> happen (kprobes #BP, hw_breakpoint #DB, or even #PF due to random
> nonsense like *SAN). This exception will do IRET and clear the NMI latch, all
> before you get to run any of the NMI code.
> 
> Note how the normal NMI code is very careful to clear DR7 and both kprobes
> and hw_breakpoint know not to accept noinstr code as targets.
> 
> You threw all that out the window.
> 
> Also, NMI is IST, and with FRED it will run on a different stack as well, directly
> calling external_interrupt() doesn't honour that either.
> 
> > You really really don't like the context how VMX dispatches NMI/IRQs
> > (which has been there for a long time), right?
> 
> I really really hate this with a passion. The fact that it's been this way is no
> justification for keeping it. Crap is crap.
> 
> Intel should have taken an example of SVM in this regard, and not doubled
> down and extended this NMI hole to regular IRQs. These are exactly the kind of
> exception delivery trainwrecks FRED is supposed to fix, except in this case it
> appears it doesn't :/

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-12  6:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-10  6:15 [RESEND PATCH 0/6] x86/traps,VMX: implement software based NMI/IRQ dispatch for VMX NMI/IRQ reinjection Xin Li
2022-11-10  6:15 ` [RESEND PATCH 1/6] x86/traps: let common_interrupt() handle IRQ_MOVE_CLEANUP_VECTOR Xin Li
2022-11-10 18:59   ` Ashok Raj
2022-11-10 22:09     ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-10  6:15 ` [RESEND PATCH 2/6] x86/traps: add a system interrupt table for system interrupt dispatch Xin Li
2022-11-10  8:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-10 19:55     ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-10 20:36       ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-10 21:12         ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-11-10 23:00           ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-11  0:08             ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-11-11  3:03               ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-11  8:58         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-11  1:12       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-11  3:54         ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-11  8:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-11 22:07       ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-11-12  9:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-10  6:15 ` [RESEND PATCH 3/6] x86/traps: add install_system_interrupt_handler() Xin Li
2022-11-10  6:15 ` [RESEND PATCH 4/6] x86/traps: add external_interrupt() to dispatch external interrupts Xin Li
2022-11-10 16:24   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-10 18:02     ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-10 20:10       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-10  6:15 ` [RESEND PATCH 5/6] KVM: x86/VMX: add kvm_vmx_reinject_nmi_irq() for NMI/IRQ reinjection Xin Li
2022-11-10  9:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-10 20:53     ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-11  9:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-11 12:04         ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-11-11 12:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-11 12:48             ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-11-11 14:23               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-11 16:35                 ` Andrew Cooper
2022-11-11 22:22                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-11-12  0:08                     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-11-11 18:06                 ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-11 19:33                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-12  6:35                     ` Li, Xin3 [this message]
2022-11-14  4:39                     ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-14  9:08                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-15  7:50                         ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-15  9:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-17  3:37                             ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-17 15:51                               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-18  0:05                                 ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-22 13:00                                   ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-22 20:52                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  8:31                                       ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-23 20:42                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-24  3:40                                           ` Li, Xin3
2022-11-28 16:26                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-24  9:46                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-28 19:05                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  9:16                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23 19:18                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-11 22:15                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-11-10  6:15 ` [RESEND PATCH 6/6] x86/traps: remove unused NMI entry exc_nmi_noist() Xin Li

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