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From: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
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Subject: RE: [RFC 03/20] vfio: Add vfio_[un]register_device()
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:23:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BN9PR11MB54338D108AF5A87614717EF98CA29@BN9PR11MB5433.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210922005337.GC327412@nvidia.com>

> From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 8:54 AM
> 
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 11:10:15PM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> > > From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:01 AM
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 02:38:31PM +0800, Liu Yi L wrote:
> > > > With /dev/vfio/devices introduced, now a vfio device driver has three
> > > > options to expose its device to userspace:
> > > >
> > > > a)  only legacy group interface, for devices which haven't been moved
> to
> > > >     iommufd (e.g. platform devices, sw mdev, etc.);
> > > >
> > > > b)  both legacy group interface and new device-centric interface, for
> > > >     devices which supports iommufd but also wants to keep backward
> > > >     compatibility (e.g. pci devices in this RFC);
> > > >
> > > > c)  only new device-centric interface, for new devices which don't carry
> > > >     backward compatibility burden (e.g. hw mdev/subdev with pasid);
> > >
> > > We shouldn't have 'b'? Where does it come from?
> >
> > a vfio-pci device can be opened via the existing group interface. if no b) it
> > means legacy vfio userspace can never use vfio-pci device any more
> > once the latter is moved to iommufd.
> 
> Sorry, I think I ment a, which I guess you will say is SW mdev devices
> 
> But even so, I think the way forward here is to still always expose
> the device /dev/vfio/devices/X and some devices may not allow iommufd
> usage initially.

After another thought this should work. Following your comments in
other places, we'll move the handling of BIND_IOMMUFD to vfio core
which then invoke .bind_iommufd() from the driver. For devices which
don't allow iommufd now, the callback is null thus an error is returned.

This leaves the userspace in a try-and-fail mode. It first opens the device
fd and iommufd, and then try to connect the two together. If failed then
fallback to the legacy group interface.

Then we don't need a) at all. and we can even avoid introducing new
vfio_[un]register_device() at this point. Just leverage existing 
vfio_[un]register_group_dev() to cover b). new helpers can be introduced
later when c) is supported.

> 
> Providing an ioctl to bind to a normal VFIO container or group might
> allow a reasonable fallback in userspace..
> 

I didn't get this point though. An error in binding already allows the
user to fall back to the group path. Why do we need introduce another
ioctl to explicitly bind to container via the nongroup interface? 

Thanks
Kevin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-22  9:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 274+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-19  6:38 [RFC 00/20] Introduce /dev/iommu for userspace I/O address space management Liu Yi L
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 01/20] iommu/iommufd: Add /dev/iommu core Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 15:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:51     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:40       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 13:59         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 14:10           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-15  9:18     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-10-15 11:18       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-15 11:29         ` Liu, Yi L
2021-10-19 16:57         ` Jacob Pan
2021-10-19 16:57           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-19 17:11             ` Jacob Pan
2021-10-19 17:12               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 02/20] vfio: Add device class for /dev/vfio/devices Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 15:57   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-21 23:56     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  0:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:07         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:31           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:22         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:50           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 14:09             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-21 19:56   ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22  0:56     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  2:08   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29 19:05     ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-30  2:43       ` David Gibson
2021-10-20 12:39     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 03/20] vfio: Add vfio_[un]register_device() Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 16:01   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-21 23:10     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  0:53       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  0:59         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  9:23         ` Tian, Kevin [this message]
2021-09-22 12:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 13:44             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 20:10             ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 22:34               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 22:45                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 23:45                   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 23:52                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23  0:38                       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 23:56               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  0:54     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  1:00       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:02         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23  7:25         ` Eric Auger
2021-09-23 11:44           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  2:46         ` david
2021-09-29 12:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  2:48             ` david
2021-09-29  2:43   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  3:40     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  5:30     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  7:08       ` Cornelia Huck
2021-09-29 12:15         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 04/20] iommu: Add iommu_device_get_info interface Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 16:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  2:31     ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-22  5:07       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-09-29  2:52   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  9:25     ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-29  9:29       ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 05/20] vfio/pci: Register device to /dev/vfio/devices Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 16:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-21 21:09     ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-21 21:58       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:24         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22  1:19       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 21:17         ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 23:49           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 06/20] iommu: Add iommu_device_init[exit]_user_dma interfaces Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:09   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  1:47     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:39       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 13:56         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27  9:42         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 11:34           ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-27 13:08             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 11:53           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-27 13:00             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 13:09               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-27 13:32                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 14:39                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-28  7:13                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-28 11:54                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-28 23:59                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-27 19:19                   ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-28  7:43                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-28 16:26                       ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-27 15:09           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-28  7:30             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-28 11:57               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-28 13:35                 ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-28 14:07                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  0:38                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29 12:59                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-15  1:29                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-15 11:09                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-18  1:52                             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  2:22                     ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-29  2:29                       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  2:38                         ` Lu Baolu
2021-09-29  4:55   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  5:38     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29  6:35       ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  7:31         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30  3:05           ` David Gibson
2021-09-29 12:57         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  3:09           ` David Gibson
2021-09-30 22:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-01  3:54               ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 07/20] iommu/iommufd: Add iommufd_[un]bind_device() Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:14   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-15  9:21     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-09-29  5:25   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29 12:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  3:10       ` David Gibson
2021-10-01 12:43         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-07  1:23           ` David Gibson
2021-10-07 11:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-11  3:24               ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 08/20] vfio/pci: Add VFIO_DEVICE_BIND_IOMMUFD Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 21:01     ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 23:01       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  6:00   ` David Gibson
2021-09-29  6:41     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29 12:28       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29 22:34         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30  3:12       ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 09/20] iommu: Add page size and address width attributes Liu Yi L
2021-09-22 13:42   ` Eric Auger
2021-09-22 14:19     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 10/20] iommu/iommufd: Add IOMMU_DEVICE_GET_INFO Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:30     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  6:18         ` david
2021-09-22 21:24   ` Alex Williamson
2021-09-22 23:49     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23  3:10       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 10:15         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-23 11:27           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 12:05             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 12:22               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  8:48                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-29 12:36                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  8:30                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30 10:33                       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-30 22:04                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-01  3:28                           ` hch
2021-10-14  8:13                             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  8:22                               ` hch
2021-10-14  8:29                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  8:01                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  9:16                           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-30  8:49                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30 13:43                   ` Lu Baolu
2021-10-01  3:24                     ` hch
2021-09-30 22:08                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 11:36         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]       ` <BN9PR11MB5433409DF766AAEF1BB2CF258CA39@BN9PR11MB5433.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
2021-09-23  3:38         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 11:42           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-30  9:35             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-30 22:23               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-01  3:30                 ` hch
2021-10-14  9:11                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14 15:42                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-15  1:01                     ` Tian, Kevin
     [not found]                     ` <BN9PR11MB543327BB6D58AEF91AD2C9D18CB99@BN9PR11MB5433.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
2021-10-21  2:26                       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-21 14:58                         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-10-21 23:22                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-22  7:49                             ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-10-25 16:51                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-21 23:30                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-22  3:08                           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-25 23:34                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-27  1:42                               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-28  2:07                               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-29 13:55                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-29  6:23   ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 11/20] iommu/iommufd: Add IOMMU_IOASID_ALLOC/FREE Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:44   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:40     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 14:09       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23  9:14         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 12:06           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 12:22             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 12:31               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 12:45                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 13:01                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 13:20                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-23 13:30                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23 13:41                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-01  6:30               ` david
2021-10-01  6:26           ` david
2021-10-01  6:19         ` david
2021-10-01 12:25           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-02  4:21             ` david
2021-10-02 12:25               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-11  5:37                 ` david
2021-10-11 17:17                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-14  4:33                     ` david
2021-10-14 15:06                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-18  3:40                         ` david
2021-10-01  6:15       ` david
2021-09-22 12:51     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-09-22 13:32       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-23  6:26         ` Liu, Yi L
2021-10-01  6:13     ` David Gibson
2021-10-01 12:22       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-11  6:02         ` David Gibson
2021-10-11  8:49           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-10-11 23:38             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-12  8:33               ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-10-13  7:14                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-13  7:07             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  4:38             ` David Gibson
2021-10-11 18:49           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-14  4:53             ` David Gibson
2021-10-14 14:52               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-18  3:50                 ` David Gibson
2021-10-18 17:42                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 13:45   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-29 10:47     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-10-01  6:11   ` David Gibson
2021-10-13  7:00     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-14  5:00       ` David Gibson
2021-10-14  6:53         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-25  5:05           ` David Gibson
2021-10-27  2:32             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 12/20] iommu/iommufd: Add IOMMU_CHECK_EXTENSION Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 17:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:41     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 14:13         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 13/20] iommu: Extend iommu_at[de]tach_device() for multiple devices group Liu Yi L
2021-10-14  5:24   ` David Gibson
2021-10-14  7:06     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-18  3:57       ` David Gibson
2021-10-18 16:32         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-25  5:14           ` David Gibson
2021-10-25 12:14             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-25 13:16               ` David Gibson
2021-10-25 23:36                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-26  9:23                   ` David Gibson
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 14/20] iommu/iommufd: Add iommufd_device_[de]attach_ioasid() Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 18:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:53     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 14:16         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 15/20] vfio/pci: Add VFIO_DEVICE_[DE]ATTACH_IOASID Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 18:04   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:56     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-22 12:58       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22 14:17         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 16/20] vfio/type1: Export symbols for dma [un]map code sharing Liu Yi L
2021-09-21 18:14   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:57     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 17/20] iommu/iommufd: Report iova range to userspace Liu Yi L
2021-09-22 14:49   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-29 10:44     ` Liu, Yi L
2021-09-29 12:07       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-09-29 12:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 18/20] iommu/iommufd: Add IOMMU_[UN]MAP_DMA on IOASID Liu Yi L
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 19/20] iommu/vt-d: Implement device_info iommu_ops callback Liu Yi L
2021-09-19  6:38 ` [RFC 20/20] Doc: Add documentation for /dev/iommu Liu Yi L
2021-10-29  0:15   ` David Gibson
2021-10-29 12:44     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-19  6:45 ` [RFC 00/20] Introduce /dev/iommu for userspace I/O address space management Liu, Yi L
2021-09-21 13:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-09-22  3:25   ` Liu, Yi L

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