From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756230AbcDDS7g (ORCPT ); Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:59:36 -0400 Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com ([209.85.213.177]:37974 "EHLO mail-ig0-f177.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753305AbcDDS7e (ORCPT ); Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:59:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57008645.4070808@hurleysoftware.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:59:32 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Y1GKZD60gFZ7qA_CHUAhXVJ9dIw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bisect] Merge tag 'mmc-v4.6' of git://git.linaro.org/people/ulf.hansson/mmc (was [GIT PULL] MMC for v.4.6) From: Linus Torvalds To: Ulf Hansson Cc: Peter Hurley , linux-mmc , Adrian Hunter , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Jaehoon Chung Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Ulf Hansson wrote: > > The commit that's likely to cause the regression is: > 520bd7a8b415 ("mmc: core: Optimize boot time by detecting cards > simultaneously"). Peter, mind testing if you can revert that and get the old behavior back? It seems to still revert cleanly, although I didn't check if the revert actually then builds.. > This commit further enables asynchronous detection of (e)MMC/SD/SDIO > cards, by converting from an *ordered* work-queue to a *non-ordered* > work-queue for card detection. > > Although, one should know that there have *never* been any guarantees > to get a fixed mmcblk id for a card. I expect that's what has been > assumed here. So quite frankly, for the whole "no regressions" issue, "documented behavior" simply isn't an issue. It doesn't matter one whit or not if something has been documented: if it has worked and people have depended on it, it's what we in the industry call "reality". And reality trumps documentation. Every time. So it sounds like either that just needs to be reverted, or some other way to get reliable device naming needs to happen. So the *simple* model is to just scan the devices minimally serially, and allocate the names at that point (so the names are reliable between boots for the same hardware configuration). And then do the more expensive device setup asynchronously (ie querying device information, spinning up disks, whatever - things that can take anything from milliseonds to several seconds, because they are doing actual IO). So you'd do some very basic (and _often_ fairly quick) operations serially, but then try to do the expensive parts concurrently. The SCSI layer actually goes a bit further than that: it has a fairly asynchronous scanning thing, but it does allocate the actual host device nodes serially, and then it even has an ordered list of "scanning_hosts" that is used to complete the scanning in-order, so that the sysfs devices show up in the right order even if things actually got scanned out-of-order. So scans that finished early will wait for other scans that are for "earlier" devices, and you end up with what *looks* ordered to the outside, even if internally it was all done out-of-order. So there are multiple approaches to handling this, while still allowing fairly asynchronous IO. Linus