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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 11:02:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFwhmgaoHUtCx2=m4SWBtG4dtmY3M8qHLjwe0UaLkBz_eA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwFEzEU9ci=mFZprjzrhG0P0XgXgqhBSWSv7vFWEAw6rQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> What are the real life use-cases for normal users having modules auto-load?

Well, I could do some testing. One case is apparently both bluetoothd
and ip6tables that have been converted to indeed use CAP_NET_ADMIN.

Annoying.

Still, can't we just say "you need to have capabilities" and leave it at that?

Something (UNTESTED and whitespace damaged) like this:

  diff --git a/kernel/kmod.c b/kernel/kmod.c
  index bc6addd9152b..a3f3218f66c6 100644
  --- a/kernel/kmod.c
  +++ b/kernel/kmod.c
  @@ -139,6 +139,11 @@ int __request_module(bool wait, const char *fmt, ...)
           if (!modprobe_path[0])
                   return 0;

  +        if (WARN_ON_ONCE(!capable(CAP_SYS_MODULE) ||
  +                         !capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN) ||
  +                         !capable(CAP_NET_ADMIN)))
  +                return -EPERM;
  +
           va_start(args, fmt);
           ret = vsnprintf(module_name, MODULE_NAME_LEN, fmt, args);
           va_end(args);

instead of adding complex infrastructure for something people might
not want anyway?

Now, the above will not necessarily work with a legacy /dev/ directory
where al the nodes have been pre-populated, and opening the device
node is supposed to load the module. So _historically_ we did indeed
load modules as normal users. But does that really happen any more?

I'd hate to default to historical behavior if there's no actual reason to do so.

                  Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-27 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-27 17:18 [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap() Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:48   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 21:35     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 19:14   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 20:11     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:16       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:33         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:18           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:52             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:39         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:12           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:48               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-29  7:49                 ` Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29 13:46           ` Alan Cox
2017-11-29 14:50             ` David Miller
2017-11-29 15:54               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:58                 ` David Miller
2017-11-29 16:29                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 22:45                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:06                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 17:28                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30  0:35                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 17:17                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-28 20:18     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 2/5] modules:capabilities: add cap_kernel_module_request() permission check Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  2:05   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 3/5] modules:capabilities: automatic module loading restriction Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  1:23   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30 12:22     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 4/5] modules:capabilities: add a per-task modules auto-load mode Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 5/5] net: modules: use request_module_cap() to load 'netdev-%s' modules Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:44   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:41     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 22:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:59         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:19             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:35               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28  1:23             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 12:16         ` [kernel-hardening] " Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 19:32           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 20:08             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:12               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:20                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 21:10                     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:23                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:29                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:49                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  0:18                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  6:36                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 14:46                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-12-01 15:22                             ` Marcus Meissner
2017-11-28 23:53                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:51                     ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 23:51                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:26                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  4:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29 18:30                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:46                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 21:17                                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 22:14                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:44                                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  2:08                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  6:51                                       ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  8:50                                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:16                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:51                                             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-12-01  6:39                                           ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-29 15:28                           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-27 18:41 ` [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2017-11-27 19:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:31       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 19:14   ` David Miller
2017-11-27 22:31     ` James Morris
2017-11-27 23:04       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:44         ` James Morris

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