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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] free_pages stuff
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:23:11 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFwyxJ+TOpaJZnC5MPJ-25xbLAEu8iJP8zTYhmA3LXFF8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFy9NrV_RnziN9z3p5O6rv1A0mirhLD0hL7Wrb77+YyBeg@mail.gmail.com>

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On Dec 21, 2015 17:04, "Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > And quite frankly, even the "new name" is likely a bad idea. If you
> > want to allocate a page, and get a pointer, just use "kmalloc()".
> > Boom, done!
>
> Erm...  You've just described the absolute majority of callers.  Really.

That wasn't my point.

I totally believe that most of the legacy users actually wanted a pointer.

But that doesn't mean that we should just convert a legacy interface.
We should either just create a new interface and leave old users
alone, or if we care about that code and really want to remove the
cast, maybe it should just use kmalloc() instead.

Long ago, allocating a page using kmalloc() was a bad idea, because
there was overhead for it in the allocation and the code.

These days, kmalloc() not only doesn't have the allocation overhead,
but may actually scale better too, thanks to percpu caches etc.

So my point here is that not only is it wrong to change the calling
convention for a legacy function (and it really probably doesn't get
much more legacy than get_free_page - I think it's been around
forever), but even the "let's make up a new name" conversion may be
wrong, because it's entirely possible that the code in question should
just be using kmalloc().

So I don't think an automatic conversion is a good idea. I suspect
that old code that somebody isn't actively working on should just be
left alone, and code that *is* actively worked on should maybe
consider kmalloc().

And if the code really explicitly wants a page (or set of aligned
pages) for some vm reason, I suspect having the cast there isn't a bad
thing. It's clearly not just a random pointer allocation if the bit
pattern of the pointer matters.

And yes, most of the people who used to want "unsigned long" have long
since been converted to take "struct page *" instead, since things
like the VM wants highmem pages etc.  There's a reason why the
historical interface returns "unsigned long": it _used_ to be the
right thing for a lot of code. The fact that there now are more casts
than not are about changing use patterns, but I don't think that means
that we should change the calling convention that has a historical
reason for it.

     Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-22  1:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-21 23:46 [RFC] free_pages stuff Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 01/83] switch free_page() from unsigned long to const void * Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 02/83] switch free_pages() " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 03/83] switch get_zeroed_page() to returning " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 04/83] kill unused {get,free}_user_page() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 05/83] switch copy_mount_options to storing void * instead of unsigned long Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 06/83] drivers/net/wireless/libertas/debugfs.c: get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 07/83] drivers/net/wireless/mwifiex/debugfs.c: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 08/83] affs_evict_inode(): " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 09/83] configfs_follow_link(): " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 10/83] kernfs_iop_follow_link(): " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 11/83] sound/oss/vidc: keep dma_buf[] as pointers Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 12/83] drivers/tty: get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 13/83] rds: keep pointers in ->m_page_addrs[] Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 14/83] proc_dev_atm_read(): get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 15/83] qib get_map_page(): " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 16/83] user_namespace: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 17/83] ftrace: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 18/83] sysctl: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 19/83] xenstored_local_init(): " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 20/83] staging/rdma: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 21/83] c6x: remove unused macros Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 22/83] [davinci] ccdc_update_raw_params() frees the wrong thing Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 23/83] fd_dma_mem_free(): pass address as void * instead of unsigned long Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 24/83] ppc: keep ->hpt_virt as a pointer Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 25/83] dma_4u_alloc_coherent(): don't mix virtual and physical addresses Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:46 ` [POC][PATCH 26/83] dma_4v_alloc_coherent(): " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 27/83] new helper: get_dma_pages() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 28/83] make fd_dma_mem_alloc/nodma_mem_alloc return a pointer Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 29/83] switch the remaining users of __get_dma_pages() to get_dma_pages() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 30/83] sparc: get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 31/83] efficeon: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 32/83] lguest: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 33/83] drivers/pci: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 34/83] drivers/s390: ger " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 35/83] s390 kvm: get " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 36/83] pcibios: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 37/83] ste_dma40: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 38/83] usb_mon: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 39/83] gnttab_end_foreign_access(): switch the last argument to void * Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 40/83] nios2: dma_free_coherent(): get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 41/83] hsi: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 42/83] simserial: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 43/83] arm64 vdso: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 44/83] cris free_init_page(): switch to __free_page() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 45/83] arm: switch kvm_arm_hyp_stack_page to void * Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 46/83] frv consistent_alloc(): switch page " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 47/83] ia64: uncached_add_chunk(): switch to __free_pages() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 48/83] jfs_readdir(): make dirent_buf a pointer Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 49/83] get rid of casts in alloc_exact stuff Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 50/83] s390 cmm: get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 51/83] microblaze consistent_alloc(): " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 52/83] devm_{get_}free_pages(): switch to pointers Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 53/83] cavium: (partially) get rid of cargo-culting in allocator Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 54/83] um: store stacks as pointers Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 55/83] sh: get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 56/83] amd_gart_64: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 57/83] iwlegacy: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 58/83] iwlwifi: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 59/83] add pointer-returning variants of __get_free_pages/__get_free_page Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 60/83] switch obvious cases to get_free_pages() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 61/83] switch obvious cases to get_free_page() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 62/83] m68k: switch pte_alloc_one_kernel() " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 63/83] switch kvmppc_core_vcpu_create_pr() " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 64/83] drivers/video/fbdev: switch to get_free_pages() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 65/83] um: switch to get_free_page() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 66/83] switch xen_get_swiotlb_free_pages() to returning a pointer Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 67/83] mn10300 dma_alloc_coherent(): switch to get_free_pages() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 68/83] switch ps3_dma_map() and ps3_dma_region_ops->map() instances to physical address Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 69/83] ps3_alloc_coherent(): get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 70/83] s390_dma_alloc(): page_to_phys() result is always a multiple of PAGE_SIZE Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 71/83] s390_dma_alloc(): use page_address() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 72/83] [powerpc] switch cmm_page_array->pages[] to pointers Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 73/83] niu.c: get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 74/83] [s390] switch pcpu_alloc_lowcore() to get_free_page() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 75/83] kill __get_free_page() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 76/83] [mips, s390, score] turn empty_zero_page into pointer Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 77/83] sparc: switch to get_free_pages() Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 78/83] x86: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 79/83] s390: turn suspend_zero_pages into a pointer Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 80/83] [sun3] try to sort dvma types out Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 81/83] sba_iommu: get rid of pointless casts Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 82/83] media/platform/omap: " Al Viro
2015-12-21 23:47 ` [POC][PATCH 83/83] nios2: " Al Viro
2015-12-22  0:03 ` [RFC] free_pages stuff Linus Torvalds
2015-12-22  1:04   ` Al Viro
     [not found]     ` <CA+55aFy9NrV_RnziN9z3p5O6rv1A0mirhLD0hL7Wrb77+YyBeg@mail.gmail.com>
2015-12-22  1:23       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2015-12-22  3:10         ` Al Viro
2015-12-22  2:22       ` Al Viro
2015-12-22  8:21         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-12-22 21:04           ` Al Viro
2016-01-05 13:59             ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-05 15:26               ` Al Viro
2016-01-05 15:42                 ` Michal Hocko

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