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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
Cc: io-uring@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Lemon <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Hideaki YOSHIFUJI <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/12] io_uring zerocopy send
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 19:36:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+FuTSeP-W-ePV1EkWMmD4Ycsfq9viYdtyfDbUW3LXTc2q+BHQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d5a07e01-7fc3-2f73-a406-21246a252876@gmail.com>

> >>> 1) we pass a bvec, so no page table walks.
> >>> 2) zerocopy_sg_from_iter() is just slow, adding a bvec optimised version
> >>>     still doing page get/put (see 4/12) slashed 4-5%.
> >>> 3) avoiding get_page/put_page in 5/12
> >>> 4) completion events are posted into io_uring's CQ, so no
> >>>     extra recvmsg for getting events
> >>> 5) no poll(2) in the code because of io_uring
> >>> 6) lot of time is spent in sock_omalloc()/free allocating ubuf_info.
> >>>     io_uring caches the structures reducing it to nearly zero-overhead.
> >>
> >> Nice set of complementary optimizations.
> >>
> >> We have looked at adding some of those as independent additions to
> >> msg_zerocopy before, such as long-term pinned regions. One issue with
> >> that is that the pages must remain until the request completes,
> >> regardless of whether the calling process is alive. So it cannot rely
> >> on a pinned range held by a process only.
> >>
> >> If feasible, it would be preferable if the optimizations can be added
> >> to msg_zerocopy directly, rather than adding a dependency on io_uring
> >> to make use of them. But not sure how feasible that is. For some, like
> >> 4 and 5, the answer is clearly it isn't.  6, it probably is?
>
> Forgot about 6), io_uring uses the fact that submissions are
> done under an per ring mutex, and completions are under a per
> ring spinlock, so there are two lists for them and no extra
> locking. Lists are spliced in a batched manner, so it's
> 1 spinlock per N (e.g. 32) cached ubuf_info's allocations.
>
> Any similar guarantees for sockets?

For datagrams it might matter, not sure if it would show up in a
profile. The current notification mechanism is quite a bit more
heavyweight than any form of fixed ubuf pool.

For TCP this matters less, as multiple sends are not needed and
completions are coalesced, because in order.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-02  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-30 15:18 [RFC 00/12] io_uring zerocopy send Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 01/12] skbuff: add SKBFL_DONT_ORPHAN flag Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 02/12] skbuff: pass a struct ubuf_info in msghdr Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 03/12] net/udp: add support msgdr::msg_ubuf Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 04/12] net: add zerocopy_sg_from_iter for bvec Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 05/12] net: optimise page get/free for bvec zc Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-01 19:20   ` Jonathan Lemon
2021-12-01 20:17     ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 06/12] io_uring: add send notifiers registration Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 07/12] io_uring: infrastructure for send zc notifications Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 08/12] io_uring: wire send zc request type Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 09/12] io_uring: add an option to flush zc notifications Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 10/12] io_uring: opcode independent fixed buf import Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:18 ` [RFC 11/12] io_uring: sendzc with fixed buffers Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-30 15:19 ` [RFC 12/12] io_uring: cache struct ubuf_info Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-01  3:10 ` [RFC 00/12] io_uring zerocopy send David Ahern
2021-12-01 15:32   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-01 17:57     ` David Ahern
2021-12-01 19:11       ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-01 19:20         ` David Ahern
2021-12-01 20:15           ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-01 21:51             ` Martin KaFai Lau
2021-12-01 22:35               ` David Ahern
2021-12-01 23:07                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2021-12-01 23:18                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-02 15:48               ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-02 17:40                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2021-12-01 20:42       ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-01 14:31 ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-01 17:49   ` David Ahern
2021-12-01 19:59     ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-01 18:10 ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-12-01 19:59   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-01 20:29     ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-02  0:36       ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2021-12-02 16:25         ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-02  0:32     ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-12-02 16:45       ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-02 21:25         ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-12-03 16:19           ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-12-03 16:30             ` Willem de Bruijn

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